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Re: No Water in California
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:01 pm
by moi621 (imported)
Dave (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:13 pm
Chances are nearly 100% that the farms in California have the rights to the water they use.
The problem isn't so much "greedy corporations" but a water system in California that was created 100 years ago if not longer. That system has never been changed or updated. It's a bizarre collection of land rights, mineral rights, water rights, all sorts of other archaic agreements, land grants, rights-of-way, and deeds. (perhaps a Tontine or two).
It is much easier to the Governor of California (regardless of who he is, or his political party) to ask the household consumer to cut back on water because that involves letting their lawn die, or driving a dirty car, or every citizen adjusting to smelly feet and stinky armpits.
It is much harder for any political authority to ask farmers to stop growing and to use less water because that throws people out of jobs and into unemployment.
Personally, smelly feet and stinky armpits (on alternating Tuesdays and Thursdays) are much more preferable than raising the unemployment rate by closing farms.
The best deal would be for California to subsidize crop production and maintain the levels of agriculture, while using less water. This can be done by using less water intensive means of supplying the water -- think drip irrigation rather than flood irrigation.
That, however, is a political solution that has escaped California for many decades, if not a century.
Deeded Water Rights before 1915 require a water reduction of 85%
Deeded Water Rights after 1915, no water.
I have pre 1915 deeded water rights on ranch property between Visalia and Sequoia.
Moi
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:06 pm
by Paolo
The wild spring weather is coming here tomorrow through Thursday. We'll have more water than we know what to do with.
And probably wind, hail, tornadoes...batten down the hatches, A-1!
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:10 am
by Riverwind (imported)
Speaking of rain, we just had a downpour, of course if everything is working the way it should we should have one every day.
River
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:35 am
by nvrgag44 (imported)
Paolo wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:06 pm
The wild spring weather is coming here tomorrow through Thursday. We'll have more water than we know what to do with.
And probably wind, hail, tornadoes...batten down the hatches, A-1!
Right, Paulo! And we can take long hot showers, water our lawns and gardens, wash our vehicles, watch the kids play under the sprinkler, flush twice to help these dumbass 1.8 gallon toilets do their job, drill a well if needed, run the washing machine and dishwasher at will, leave the water running while we shave and brush our teeth. The list of guilt free activities goes on.
Last fall we had to put in a new sewer line from the house to the road, about 60'. After it all settled we had the whole front yard graded and reseeded. Watered it twice a day for weeks. We also had our deck, the whole house and detached garage power washed. We are billed for water on a quarterly basis. I forgot how much water we used that quarter but it was about 3 to 4 times more than usual. I was pleasantly surprised. The more you use, the cheaper it is per gallon. Lake Michigan is our friend. Supposed to rain for the next three days here too.
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:54 am
by Paolo
It's raining here now. The highway department is flushing hydrants, too, and moving one that got hit.
Water water everywhere!
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:12 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
Not only does California not get rain, in the last few years they have not gotten any snow either. Hell we got more snow in Hawai'i then they did by area.
OH well this might be a blessing in disguise of the 1
maybe half will move back to Illinois or Indiana or Minnesota. I remember as a kid SFV had about 100k people, little towns with orange trees between them, now there are 1.5 million and not an orange tree in sight.
Much has been said on how to fix the water problem in California the 8th biggest economy in the world but there is a problem,
NOTE this is not meant as a political statement, its just some history that fits this issue.
California has term limits on all congress, hence for any law to be passed it goes to the voters because 10 million voters know better then the 50 or so people they sent to congress, and the rest of us smile, giggle or outright laugh and remember the words of Edmund Burke.
River
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:00 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
http://news.yahoo.com/no-more-nice-guy- ... 02890.html
One of the biggest water waist areas in the state is Huntington Beach, a wealthy area that does not thing they need to comply, interestingly that is were our good friend lives who is one of those who is not inclined to change.
The plot thickens, will the state fine the water district and make the fines so heavy that they will need to pass it on?
on the flip side another very wealthy area Santa Cruz and the mountains above use on average less than what most districts use and are already in compliance.
This is better than any un-reality show on TV.
River
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:00 am
by nvrgag44 (imported)
I guess agreeing with River on term limits was over the line, eh?
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:06 am
by Riverwind (imported)
nvrgag44 (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:00 am
I guess agreeing with River on term limits was over the line, eh?
No, and I must admit that in a moment of stupidity when I still lived there I voted for it, OK we all do stupid things in life that was one of mine and one that the state should repeal.
River
Re: No Water in California
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:32 pm
by kristoff
nvrgag44 (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:00 am
I guess agreeing with River on term limits was over the line, eh?
Yes it was.
