Yes thank goodness for the trade winds, we have been without them for over a month, not fun, very hot and humid however today was wonderful.

River

River is in chat tonight. He says the lava flow has stopped. So far

MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:05 pm River is in chat tonight. He says the lava flow has stopped. So far

Great NOT

Wrestle with IRC and some channel or whatever.

Chat is more than one link away

Moi

psst, they set it up that way to keep Moi out

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:48 am Yes thank goodness for the trade winds, we have been without them for over a month, not fun, very hot and humid however today was wonderful.

River

One of the effects of Global Warming is the loss of YOUR Trade Winds.

Pele contributes to Global Warming. Get use to the hotter life.



Someone should do something.

Actually Pele does not contribute to global warming, different type of carbon.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:33 am Actually Pele does not contribute to global warming, different type of carbon.

River

She ain't the Nuclear Winter sort.

Blow her stack and place sun obstructing particulate matter high up where it counts.

She is HOT, HOT, HOT and does contribute to Global Warming. Thermally if no manner else.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:28 pm She ain't the Nuclear Winter sort.

Blow her stack and place sun obstructing particulate matter high up where it counts.

She is HOT, HOT, HOT and does contribute to Global Warming. Thermally if no manner else.

Wrong, sh

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:33 am e does not contribute to global warming,

not even thermally any more then the earth does as a whole. Global warming is caused by burning fossil fuel, coal and oil, trying to make an argument otherwise is silly. The science is in, the facts have been examined and Pele is not the cause or any of her sisters round the world.

Wrong, sh

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:48 pm 72780]
e does not contribute to global warming,

not even thermally any more then the earth does as a whole. Global warming is caused by burning fossil fuel, coal and oil, trying to make an argument otherwise is silly. The science is in, the facts have been examined and Pel
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e is not the cause or any of her sisters round the world.

Right

Sure

Uh - Huh

You have the only Green Volcano on Earth.

Kilauea is a shield volcano, and there are many volcanoes of that type on earth; the lava flows out in streams rather than exploding and spewing dust and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere (the way Pinaturbo and Mt. St. Helens did to affect the atmosphere). Because it doesn't give off huge amounts of sulfur dioxide or dust, it doesn't contribute to the greenhouse affect that is the prime mover of global warming. The heat from the lava is that which was already present in the core of the earth, and has a minimal effect on the atmosphere whose warming is also not significantly affected by the heat of burning coal furnaces but rather the effects of carbon dioxide as a green house gas, so River is right. His volcano contributes less to global warming that a day of traffic in Orange County.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:51 pm Right

Sure

Uh - Huh

You have the only Green Volcano on Earth.

gareth19 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:05 pm Kilauea is a shield volcano, and there are many volcanoes of that type on earth; the lava flows out in streams rather than exploding and spewing dust and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere (the way Pinaturbo and Mt. St. Helens did to affect the atmosphere). Because it doesn't give off huge amounts of sulfur dioxide or dust, it doesn't contribute to the greenhouse affect that is the prime mover of global warming. The heat from the lava is that which was already present in the core of the earth, and has a minimal effect on the atmosphere whose warming is also not significantly affected by the heat of burning coal furnaces but rather the effects of carbon dioxide as a green house gas, so River is right. His volcano contributes less to global warming that a day of traffic in Orange County.

Thank you, could not have said it better.

Here is the technical from the web.

It is well established that increasing greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane will warm the earth's lower atmosphere (troposphere). It is also well established that present day concentrations of these two greenhouse gases have been measured at higher levels than those observed over the previous hundreds of thousands of years. Furthermore, the concentration rate is increasing. Where is all of this carbon dioxide coming from? According to Mann & Kump (2009), the IPCC (2007), Ghosh & Brand (2003), Ruddiman (2001), and others:

Carbon in the air is made up of 12C (99%), 13C (1%), and 14C (1 per trillion)

Plants prefer 12C over 13C. The 13C/12C ratio in plants is 2% lower than the atmospheric 13C/12C ratio

Fossil fuels are derived from ancient plants so they have same low 13C/12C ratio

Therefore, fossil fuel emissions (burning ancient plants) releases more 12C resulting in a DECREASED 13C/12C ratio

Dissolved ocean carbon has the same 13C/12C ratio as the atmosphere

Since the Industrial Revolution, 13C/12C has been decreasing -- fossil fuels and land clearance are the primary sources for the extraordinary carbon levels in the atmosphere. Oceans cannot be the source for these emissions.

Volcanoes also outgas carbon with low 13C/12C ratios. Low 13C/12C ratios from volcanic activity have been observed by Cartigney et al. (2009), Mastalerz, de Lange, Dählmann, & Feseker (2007), Castrillo et al. (2004), Erdelyi, Richter, & Title (2002), and others. So could volcanoes be causing the observed decreasing atmospheric 13C/12C ratios? NO.

As discussed in Global Warming Misinformation - Volcanoes Emit More CO2 Than Humans (http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/glo ... anoes.html), emissions from humans dwarf those of volcanoes. According to the IPCC (2007) WGI Report Chapter 2 (http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_dat ... html#2-3-1):

...when CO2 from fossil fuel combustion enters the atmosphere, the 13C/12C isotopic ratio in atmospheric CO2 decreases at a predictable rate consistent with emissions of CO2 from fossil origin.

Furthermore, according to the United States Geological Survey (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php) (2009):

Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon

River