Re: Julian Assange just made matters worse
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:52 pm
Then again it might just be that no charges will ever be filed, just the threat of them and look at what its doing to him.
River
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Cainanite (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:55 pm You want an honest outside view of the USA? How do people around the world view the USA? Look no further than this case.
The USA is powerful. Its reach is long, and its influence deep. It doesn't even operate by its own rules. It is something to be frightened of.
Assange is afraid, and with good reason. He wouldn't be the first person to be disappeared by the USA.
Cainanite (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:55 pm You want an honest outside view of the USA? How do people around the world view the USA? Look no further than this case.
The USA is powerful. Its reach is long, and its influence deep. It doesn't even operate by its own rules. It is something to be frightened of.
Assange is afraid, and with good reason. He wouldn't be the first person to be disappeared by the USA.
BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:11 am One of the other things in this matter that somewhat bothers me is the rather cavalier manner in which Great Britain has so casually tossed away diplomatic immunity and the whole concept of 'foreign soil' when it comes to Assange. Sure, they haven't yet stormed the embassy, but they have actually talked about it and considered it. Right now, he is a man facing no criminal charges, anywhere. Yet Britain has considered essentially invading a foreign country to arrest him. And they've outright announced that they will invade if he sets foot into a diplomatic car. (As far as I know, diplomatic cars enjoy the same legal protection as the embassy itself, namely, it's foreign soil, legally part of the embassy's country.)
Why can't Sweden perform their investigations via remote conferencing, at least in the preliminary stages? Why can't that be enough to get them the information they need to actually FILE CHARGES and start proceedings? Hell, if that's not good enough, and they're convinced enough of his guilt to get another country to INVADE Ecuador just to detain/arrest him, why can't they file formal charges right now, and deal with interrogating him once he's in custody?
Tell ya what, screw due process, how would you feel if you were holed up in a US embassy somewhere, and the country you were in was talking about storming it just to arrest you, on the basis of a suspicion that you were somehow involved in a crime in a third country? Not that you were involved, not that they had proof, but that they figured you were involved. Plus there were no guarantees in place that if you were taken to this third country for questioning in relation to these alleged crimes, that you wouldn't be shipped to a fourth or fifth country for 'enhanced interrogation', or to be shut into a cell without a trial, never to see the light of day again?
Every single fucking American on this board should be disgusted over this. One of the founding tenets of the whole goddamn country was 'innocent until proven guilty in a court of law'. It doesn't matter what the hell he was accused of. It doesn't matter what the hell you think of him as a person. It doesn't even matter what the hell he actually did. Either press fucking charges against him, let him have his day in court, or leave him the hell alone. To do anything else is to completely violate everything your country is supposed to stand for.
Cainanite (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:55 pm You want an honest outside view of the USA? How do people around the world view the USA? Look no further than this case.
The USA is powerful. Its reach is long, and its influence deep. It doesn't even operate by its own rules. It is something to be frightened of.
Assange is afraid, and with good reason. He wouldn't be the first person to be disappeared by the USA.
DavidB (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:44 am I have been living in London for the last 2 years, I dont know where you are getting your intel from, but nobody over here has ever actually suggested invading the embassy, that is just pure BS. And nobody over here believes he isnt guilty of the sex charges either.
kristoff wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:12 am Actually, there was an official of either the police or forign ministry who was quoted as saying they could and might invade the embassy. Can't lay my hands on the citation at the moment, off to work.
BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:47 pm Seriously here. Then again, you want him out of that embassy and on US soil without caring about his rights? Don't charge him with any secrecy violations. Charge him with copyright violations. Worked for the persecution of Kim Dotcom....
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:38 am So if he is not guilty of anything, why is he hiding and why did he stiff his benefactors, you see nobody likes a guy like Assange.