Dave (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:30 pm my dear, it's like light seconds and light years -- a given distance per time.

You need to remember basic physics. Distance = (Rate)(Time) or Rate=Distance/Time. Per means division. A light second(distance) is the velocity of light(rate) times 1 second (time) = 186,000 (miles/seconds) times 1(second) = 186,000 miles.. Furlongs (1/8 of a mile) per Fortnight(14 days) is distance divided by time which yields speed.

Transward

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:44 pm Moi, you of state rights origin, DST is not federal its state mandated. Yes each state decides what its going to do.

Personally I would like it to remain DST forever and never change back.

River

Normally I side with you River, but not in this case. DST is mandated by federal law. Why else would congress have gotten involved a few years back to change the date in the US?

Time zones were set up by the precursor to the transportation department. Everyone anywhere in the country would set their clock by the sun and the point when it was highest in the sky was determined to be noon - hence "high noon". The advent of train travel was what caused time zones to come into existence. Setting by the sun would cause noon to occur at a different tie in every town and the trains needed a schedule to avoid running into one another. So the time zones were created.

That said, states that have a time zone boundary running through them have options by federal law. Arizona and Indiana have been the only ones to exercise them. If the state is on a time-zone boundary, they get to determine which time zone they will be in. Theoretically, California could switch to mountain time due to the time zone boundary running along the Colorado river in the south. Washington state cannot. Oregon and Idaho can change if they want. Wyoming and Colorado can't. North and South Carolina can't change, but Alabama and Georgia can. It's weird. Only two states have opted to stay constant, and it's a good thing because it would be mass confusion otherwise.

--LT

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:35 pm Actually Moi, when we are on DST it costs less, true, we use less electricity, businesses. So as for keeping one over the other I would choose DST not ST. but if you want to stay on ST the year around move to Indiana.

River

Or Arizona

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Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:21 am stay constant, and it's a good thing because it would be mass confusion otherwise.

--LT

Sounds like some Federalist talk about Jefferson.

Or possibly Yankee talk about Andrew Jackson.

There is a lot to be said for mass confusion. Remember the Clinton government shut down? Or the French Revolution?

Where would we be without mass confusion?

I am just asking for Standard Time as, standard. Other then establishing what is a pound, quart, foot, high noon - the individual needs no further government manipulations of weights, measures, or time. It does not matter what level of government. Messing with my time is off limits to any government. As off limits as an Orange County Winter pound. We would be better served if "they" would set up a standard for an interchangeable electric car battery, dimensions, contacts and 'punch', then get out of the way!

Oppose government involvement with Time Manipulation.

Moi

FREEDOM! The right to be free from government involvement in the most mundane daily activities.

Oppose city police drone patrols too. Unreasonable search. Remember the 4th Amendment too.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:21 am Normally I side with you River, but not in this case. DST is mandated by federal law. Why else would congress have gotten involved a few years back to change the date in the US?

Time zones were set up by the precursor to the transportation department. Everyone anywhere in the country would set their clock by the sun and the point when it was highest in the sky was determined to be noon - hence "high noon". The advent of train travel was what caused time zones to come into existence. Setting by the sun would cause noon to occur at a different tie in every town and the trains needed a schedule to avoid running into one another. So the time zones were created.

That said, states that have a time zone boundary running through them have options by federal law. Arizona and Indiana have been the only ones to exercise them. If the state is on a time-zone boundary, they get to determine which time zone they will be in. Theoretically, California could switch to mountain time due to the time zone boundary running along the Colorado river in the south. Washington state cannot. Oregon and Idaho can change if they want. Wyoming and Colorado can't. North and South Carolina can't change, but Alabama and Georgia can. It's weird. Only two states have opted to stay constant, and it's a good thing because it would be mass confusion otherwise.

--LT

Thank you, I thought it was fed implied and state mandated.

As for standard time, that was the rail road that set it up, they had to or crash trains, before that it did not make much difference.

River

transward (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:10 am You need to remember basic physics. Distance = (Rate)(Time) or Rate=Distance/Time. Per means division. A light second(distance) is the velocity of light(rate) times 1 second (time) = 186,000 (miles/seconds) times 1(second) = 186,000 miles.. Furlongs (1/8 of a mile) per Fortnight(14 days) is distance divided by time which yields speed.

Transward

I need to what? We're not doing strict dimensional analysis for science purposes. We're talking about time and distance as indications of how far away something is.

People speak in terms of the Earth being 8 light minutes from the sun. I think Mars is 20 light minutes away. I am fractions of a second away from the supermarket. My bed is only trillionths of a second away from the bathroom. At furlongs per fortnight, I am 64 furlongs and 896 days away from the supermarket.

Unwieldy but not impossible to use.

The Alpha Centauri is 4.5 light years from earth.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:57 am Thank you, I thought it was fed implied and state mandated.

As for standard time, that was the rail road that set it up, they had to or crash trains, before that it did not make much difference.

River

Yes and the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution does entitle the government to establish when 12 noon (one time, no shifts) is to coordinate the clocks. Sometimes they do something right. It is always when they go beyond their mandate they create problems.

Still, I do not grant my State, my County or my City the latitude to manipulate my clock. There is still a reservoir for personal freedoms no matter who drought stricken it looks.

Moi

FREEDOM!

For the individual from his city.

For the city from its' county.

For the county from its' State.

For the State from the Federals.

FREEDOM = 1 / Domination

moi621 (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:55 pm Yes and the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution does entitle the government to establish when 12 noon (one time, no shifts) is to coordinate the clocks. Sometimes they do something right. It is always when they go beyond their mandate they create problems.

Still, I do not grant my State, my County or my City the latitude to manipulate my clock. There is still a reservoir for personal freedoms no matter who drought stricken it looks.

Moi

FREEDOM!

For the individual from his city.

For the city from its' county.

For the county from its' State.

For the State from the Federals.

FREEDOM = 1 / Domination

You have the freedom to set your own time - you will just not be in agreement with anybody else.

Moi, read Mac's post, he is right on the money.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:18 pm Moi, read Mac's post, he is right on the money.

River

Sure. Let my neighbors become Government manipulated time Zombies.

I do live on my own time.

I am on a private disability retirement. Woo Woo



Moi

FREEDOM is not Free and requires vigilant defense from infringement. Eh?