Oh my - I have still been too dam lazy to reply properly.

And I will probably be latish for work again

But anyway, just my 2 cents about something off the topic. I like to think about positive and negative conotations sometimes, and why they are the way they are. So I thought about the phrase "you rock!," which is kind of what you might holler positively to your American football high school mates. We can relate this to our balls and that societies opinion is that they rock.

They make us stay hard; yeah!

Where's a roll eyes sarcasticly sign when I need one?!

Cainanite (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:50 am As far as the EA goes, I've found it to be one of the more accepting places for ideas and dialog. .

. .

Ah - try espouse an EA - politically incorrect opinion.

Experience the acceptance

Moi

made me do it.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:17 pm Ah - try espouse an EA - politically incorrect opinion.

Experience the acceptance

Moi

made me do it.

oh oh, because you know, helping to strengthen the sort of beliefs that are causing undue harm currently, is so helpful and helps the victims so much. it isn't about whether it is PC or not. It's about whether there are people who're unjustifiably being hurt by the sort of bullshit one wishes to espouse.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:37 pm oh oh, because you know, helping to strengthen the sort of beliefs that are causing undue harm currently, is so helpful and helps the victims so much. it isn't about whether it is PC or not. It's about whether there are people who're unjustifiably being hurt by the sort of bullshit one wishes to espouse.

No way is that my meaning.

Simply start dissing Obama and see how "personal" it gets.

Dissing Obama is an opinion that harms no one.

Dissing Obama is not PC on the EA Board.

Dissing Obama pushes tolerance buttons to the button pushing event.

Witness how hard it is for conservatives to survive here. They are required to adhere to an etiquette not applied to correct thinkers. Few make it. I have counseled many I enjoy although don't agree on EA survival techniques.

Mods know. They have not forbidden it. I often cc them.

Moi

Primum non nocere

hope I spelled it write

Until further notice. Punkypink simply put, does not like Moi.

Not a failure to like but I suspect, dislike.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:17 pm Ah - try espouse an EA - politically incorrect opinion.

Experience the acceptance

Moi

made me do it.

Yeah. The political threads keep luring me in.

The arguments there scare me. I try to keep an open mind though. Fortunately, though we get mad at one another over our political beliefs, I've never had anyone criticize my beliefs in myself, or my sexuality on the EA.

Even when we don't share the same political views or views on how the world works, we still seem to care about one another on the EA. That is what keeps me coming back.

I've found the EA to be a very compassionate place, at least by comparison to other sites on the internet.

Maybe it is just me.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:48 pm No way is that my meaning.

Simply start dissing Obama and see how "personal" it gets.

Dissing Obama is an opinion that harms no one.

Dissing Obama is not PC on the EA Board.

Dissing Obama pushes tolerance buttons to the button pushing event.

Witness how hard it is for conservatives to survive here. They are required to adhere to an etiquette not applied to correct thinkers. Few make it. I have counseled many I enjoy although don't agree on EA survival techniques.

Mods know. They have not forbidden it. I often cc them.

Moi

Primum non nocere

hope I spelled it write

Until further notice. Punkypink simply put, does not like Moi.

Not a failure to like but I suspect, dislike.

ask yourself how much conservatives hold the rest of the human race back, how much harm they did. it's ALWAYS the conservatives, who fight against anti-slavery, who fight to keep oppression of women, who fought against racial equality, who fought against gay rights.

Here, I'll come right out and say it: F*CK conservatives.

Over the years, it is my best guess that some folks have attempted to teach me to disrespect myself. As best I can yet discern, all such attempts have absolutely and totally failed.

Perhaps it is because I have been unable to learn to successfully disrespect myself that I have been unable to learn disrespect anyone else.

And I observe that traumas seem to happen, and I observe that unresolved traumas may generate disrespect, of both self and of others.

As I work at resolving such traumas as have affected my life, I find it increasingly impossible to disrespect anyone.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:38 am Basically the premise of judging a book by the contents not the cover.

I think you meant the opposite lol.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:38 am There are lots of people here for example, who're into women but will not even give a trans woman a fair look in, especially if they have the "wrong" genitals. I'm willing to bet lots of people into men will not give trans men the same chance either. They claim it is how they're wired. But hell, I used to find the male physique unattractive and even repulsive, but now I understand that gender and sex are 2 distinct categories, I've stopped seeing genitals as "male or female" and that the only thing that matters about them is that they belong to someone I like as a person and that actually makes the idea of ah....playing with it a very attractive prospect. Maybe I've reprogrammed my brain, and I do believe that others are able to do it too despite claims that they're wired that way. But they don't want to try. It's really sad.

The reprogramming of the brain idea is intriguing. Perhaps it is possible for some people but not others? I just can't see myself as ever loving a man in that sort of way. I'm not so sure that I even know how to explain. I remember the gist of a conversation that I had with a best mate many years ago - I think this was before I had personally had any sort of decent interactions with women; so perhaps it was around 2002-04. I didn't say much (well I didn't really have many opinions back then I don't think), but he opened up a bit about his relationship and problems from that time; this hardly ever happens/happened, but sometimes people must just feel comfortable around me to talk a bit. We were just doing this sitting in a car after a night out (probably saw a band), and at the end of his spilling I recall him saying of how lovely it was doing this stuff with me, but that this sort of thing just doesn't compare to being with a woman (and I'm convinced that he wasn't just talking sexually, or was just confused by his sex drive, very nice, sensitive guy my mate too). Actually I think I had mentioned that I was down or didn't understand about the not having had this with a woman thing, and maybe it was then that he spoke of how just opening up with a good mate can be good, but it just can't compare. I agree with this now. I don't believe that whatever changes you make to my body that I am therefore going to be able to 'love' a 'mate' like a do a woman. I don't how that is possible. But maybe that is the point. Maybe I just can't see?

I wouldn't even get to the looking at the genitals point with many, as far as giving people a look in is concerned, and such is my superficiality.

So is there a question here of, could I love a woman if I did love her, but then after removing her knickers she revealed a penis (this is going into Frank Drebin Naked Gun 33 and a third territory lol)? My instant answer would be no, but perhaps I just haven't given that enough thought. So on second thoughts, I actually think that I could (I am almost laughing at myself now as I type), but it would be a case of, "you are, the only exception."

Then it would move on further, and could I have the confidence to reveal this with/to others? Possibly not. As an instant thought that scares me (and I am the guy who wishes all embarrassment/fear to be gone lol), but then again, perhaps the relationship would be so good that I wouldn't care 100% about what anyone else thinks? But even in saying that, I would still have to care; for I doubt that I could continue to work where I do (or pretty much anywhere) with that being out and about - and we do have to earn a living.

I wouldn't want them to fuck me though! Maybe I could just rub one out for them every now and then lol. Playing with it = a very attractive prospect...NOT!

Wow - I am impressed by my writing here

punkypink (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:38 am Interesting point you've brought up about material comforts btw. I would love to own many material items, but less as a symbol of status, more because I would enjoy them very much. As far as expensive cars go, I'd love the fast ones, not the huge opulent ones, because of what they can do and how enjoyable they are going fast. I also marvel and admire the technology within those fast cars, and if I owned something like a McLaren Mp4-12/c it would not be used in the city to show off, but rather be used on the circuits for the sheer joy of driving. Within the city something small and humble would be much more sensible anyway, especially since I live in London.

A big word of warning to all EA members: Do not get involved with Punky. She has very expensive tastes

As far as the McLaren goes, have you ever thought about hooking up with Rowan Atkinson?!

If I lived in London I wouldn't own a car - the public transport is good enough. On the off chance that I wanted to go into the countryside I would hire one.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:38 am Other things I'd love to own would be houses with a distinct architectural style that I can enjoy or a history that fascinates me or with technology that makes captures the imagination. I'd love to own a yacht because I really love the sea, I love the ingenuity in design especially with smaller boats and how they can fit everything you need in, and the idea of being able to get away from a society that I truly quite despise at the moment.

As I was warning: I repeat that PP is VERY expensive

Thanks for sharing your mind on the EA PP.

Trying to make my posts stand out from Punkys with Itallic didn't work! Anyway, they were:

loveableleopardy (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:23 pm I think you meant the opposite lol.

The reprogramming of the brain idea is intriguing. Perhaps it is possible for some people but not others? I just can't see myself as ever loving a man in that sort of way. I'm not so sure that I even know how to explain. I remember the gist of a conversation that I had with a best mate many years ago - I think this was before I had personally had any sort of decent interactions with women; so perhaps it was around 2002-04. I didn't say much (well I didn't really have many opinions back then I don't think), but he opened up a bit about his relationship and problems from that time; this hardly ever happens/happened, but sometimes people must just feel comfortable around me to talk a bit. We were just doing this sitting in a car after a night out (probably saw a band), and at the end of his spilling I recall him saying of how lovely it was doing this stuff with me, but that this sort of thing just doesn't compare to being with a woman (and I'm convinced that he wasn't just talking sexually, or was just confused by his sex drive, very nice, sensitive guy my mate too). Actually I think I had mentioned that I was down or didn't understand about the not having had this with a woman thing, and maybe it was then that he spoke of how just opening up with a good mate can be good, but it just can't compare. I agree with this now. I don't believe that whatever changes you make to my body that I am therefore going to be able to 'love' a 'mate' like a do a woman. I don't how that is possible. But maybe that is the point. Maybe I just can't see?

I wouldn't even get to the looking at the genitals point with many, as far as giving people a look in is concerned, and such is my superficiality.

So is there a question here of, could I love a woman if I did love her, but then after removing her knickers she revealed a penis (this is going into Frank Drebin Naked Gun 33 and a third territory lol)? My instant answer would be no, but perhaps I just haven't given that enough thought. So on second thoughts, I actually think that I could (I am almost laughing at myself now as I type), but it would be a case of, "you are, the only exception."

Then it would move on further, and could I have the confidence to reveal this with/to others? Possibly not. As an instant thought that scares me (and I am the guy who wishes all embarrassment/fear to be gone lol), but then again, perhaps the relationship would be so good that I wouldn't care 100% about what anyone else thinks? But even in saying that, I would still have to care; for I doubt that I could continue to work where I do (or pretty much anywhere) with that being out and about - and we do have to earn a living.

I wouldn't want them to fuck me though! Maybe I could just rub one out for them every now and then lol. Playing with it = a very attractive prospect...NOT!

Wow - I am impressed by my writing here

A big word of warning to all EA members: Do not get involved with Punky. She has very expensive tastes

As far as the McLaren goes, have you ever thought about hooking up with Rowan Atkinson?!

If I lived in London I wouldn't own a car - the public transport is good enough. On the off chance that I wanted to go into the countryside I would hire one.

As I was warning: I repeat that PP is VERY expensive

Virtually nobody would go past the "platonic" that you speak of Punky.

But how do we change this?

It's not just a case of us saying to ourselves, "let's be better people."

Perhaps it would be possible for me to be less platonic, but I am not going to find out if that is possible since I'm not going to give anybody else a fair chance now - be they physically attractive or not. All I can go off is when I was available to give others a fair chance, and rate how much of a bastard I am from that

I think that women have a greater ability to be less superficial/platonic than men. It is somewhat ingrained in us men to be instantly attracted to hotness, though some of us can see that as all that it is, and then try to work out deeper things from there.

This can also lead to guilt and unfair discrimination of others because of their physical attractiveness.

Many physically beautiful people have to deal with the constant worry that perhaps they are mostly loved because of this beauty - so all of this stuff can be a two edged sword.

For me, I believe that women had to be of a certain physical attractiveness (not necessarily that high, but all body parts have been attached!) for me to give them a fair chance, and then after that it was about what they did. Too many women view their physical beauty as a prize for men, and that this is all that they desire. Far from true. They see men as having to make them love them, rather than it also being the other way around. It is the women who go out and make the man love them who are the ones that make the man feel good about himself, make him a better person, and obviously, make him love her.

Early this year I did briefly ponder what it would be like dating a cerabal pausy (spelling?) girl in a wheelchair. She is a nice girl who my mum helped years ago (as an integration aid). I thought of it as a nice thing to do, though of course I was already unavailable to potentially give her a fair chance even if I did (it's complicated). But I think it is that sort of thing you are hoping for with humanity Punky - that a handsome guy can date a wheelchair bound mentally effected girl? I assume that this is what you would call love? I am not really sure if such a thing is actually possible.

On the basic, society is still a very superficial one thing. Well yes, most definitely. The Kardashians are most idolised by girls because they are beautiful. Correct? Could a wheelchair bound physically unattractive girl be idolised by other girls? I don't think so, but these are interesting points of discussion.

I am so glad that I wacked off before