According to a ruling by the US Supreme Court, the stories about minors that have been posted on EA, however offensive they may be to some people, are NOT child porn, and calling them that does not make it so. It isn't a matter of whether they are legal, it's a matter of will the web host allow them.

Those that want to post such stories might check out ASSTR, http://www.asstr.org/main.html. You can establish an account and even have your own web pages. It is more of an effort to post possibly than it was on EA, but it isn't as difficult as I first thought, when it was recommended to me by one of our members. I established an account, but it isn't under slammr, the name I use here. I don't have any stories posted to my section, but I did find some of my San Carlos Island stories that I had posted to EA on ASSTR or one of their sister sites. I had given someone permission to post them elsewhere.

I momentarily put on my editor's hat and was dismayed to see the title of this thread "Reigning in the Controversy". This is a common error and one I feel forced to point out, in the interests of better writing in the future. What we're really trying to say is "Reining in the Controversy", as you would a horse (with reins), not a monarch. Just a nit. Apologies, and keep the excellent dialog going! This is an important discussion.

Finder

Actually, I find "Reigning in the Controversy" to be more useful, as Reigning can mean Dominating, and I prefer that the value within the stores will eventually dominate over fear-based hatred in the controversy as to what makes a person real, and what real persons experience, especially in the presence of societal controversy which, were I to allow it so to do, might persuade me that I am not a valid person.

For that matter, the concerns of those who do not understand is more like Raining in the Controversy, as in a rainstorm during a parade. Ever play a bass clarinet in a high school marching band during a cloudburst? When it is vehemently raining in an upturned musical instrument bell (bass clarinet, baritone, tuba, and so forth), playing in tune may become a challenge. A tuba might become quite heavy, also.

Were it not for one thing:

"I am not a poet,

And I sure do know it."

I would regard "Reigning in" as poetic license...

I am really glad this isn't the "Serious Technical Issues" thread.

dfinder (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:30 am I momentarily put on my editor's hat an

janekane (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:01 am d was dismayed to see the title

of this thread "Reigning in the Controversy". This is a common error and one I feel forced to point out, in the interests of better writing in the future. What we're really trying to say is "Reining in the Controversy", as you would a horse (with reins), not a monarch. Just a nit. Apologies, and keep the excellent dialog going! This is an important discussion.

Finder

Thank you for the clarification.

My spell checker missed that one. Though I suppose the meanings of ruling through a crisis and holding back the reins of a beast are both equally valid, from whatever your point of view.

As often happens to me, I failed at translating my spoken vocabulary to my written one. I appreciate the education, and will avoid that confusion in the future.

Please continue adding to the dialog. For some of us, this is our only place to plead our case for or against the Fiction Archive. As the decision will be made at the MoM event in August, I feel that for those of us that cannot attend, we should make our feelings either for or against known prior to that important moment.

I feel it would be valuable for those in a position to decide, to have all the opinions available to them when the moment comes.

If you have an idea for how the Fiction Archive should be handled, please post it here. Please keep the dialog civil and make your arguments as clear as possible. For many of us this will be our only voice in the final decision.

Just so you all know: Discuss options here.

You all know why we had the problems with being "shut off", and the problem of hosting Fiction now.

Please discuss option rationally.

This is the ONLY thread that I will allow to run on the subject.

After that, the weapons come out.

This new version of VB has SO many new buttons I'm DYING to try!

P

OH NO Paolo is looking for the kill switch. Its there but I disabled it

On the subject of the fiction archives or story board, I think one of the ways we may want to go is have it a paid site. Now before you all boo me out here is what I was thinking.

PayPal requires you to be an adult to use there site, so we require that you join using PayPal with a oh I don't know a $3.00 life time membership which would require you to give your email address and use a password to get in. We could then use a whole bunch of disclaimers that you must agree to before you get access.

Just a thought.

River

Blueberry pancakes with sugar free syrup, man!

You might try and find nutmeal and coconut or at least gluten-free flour while you're at it, or I will be...annoyed.

While I don't know about $3 for a lifetime benefit, I have thought that MBM manages to break even at $10 a year. Thinking about it, that's really not a bad price point for the story section, plus anything the EA may care to toss in, now that it's free from the restrictions of BME.

The Eunuch Archive should be financially self-sustaining. If that means paying $10 to $40 per year, I will pay it. The PayPal option is a good idea as it tends to weed out minors and dilettantes.

Obviously I'm ignorant of actual site costs vs. number of patrons, so the assessed cost per member could vary from my "$10 to $40" estimate; we must rely on the bean-counters at EA for actual numbers. The site could also (very) selectively consider a limited amount of advertising if that would subsidize costs and make it affordable to the majority of present members.

Finder

Special thanks to Paolo and talula for keeping this thread as the place to discuss what will become of the fiction archive.

A lot of people have been posting in weird places all over the forums. Let's all keep the dialog contained here. It is a conversation that needs to happen, but it doesn't need to take away from the rest of the forums.

dfinder if it came to a matter of costs, then I would agree to a pay site. It is not ideal, and it may discourage people without the funds to participate, but it would be better than nothing. Advertising may not be ideal. The only advertisers would likely be for online pornography, and I think that is a stigma we may want to avoid. It may be the best way to keep it going however.

A pay site would also be one of the best ways to avoid underage people browsing the stories. I'm not 100% for it, but I'd accept it as a valid alternative.