moi621 (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:34 pm What I can prove is spiritual incidences as can be verified by others who were effected.

It does not stand up to the "maze" or scientific method tests nor have I known many similar persons able to access "it" for personal profit.

When YOU know stuff you could not possibly know and others can confirm it,

that is what I call being drafted. Not a matter of faith.

Think of it as a sense like hearing. Actually most have this sense but, plug their ears.

I do believe it ghosts, just as I believe in the sun and stars. Hard to deny one's experiences especially when verified by others.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:38 pm If I knew what you were smoking at the time, I might be better able to help you explain it.

BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:03 am I believe I understand what you're driving at, Slammr, and I have to agree.

I'm not denying that some acts are most definitely classified as evil. However, that is a definition which we apply to those acts, it's not something that the laws of the universe apply.

I doubt that any here would deny that the Holocaust, for example, was evil. Yet as far as the universe and it's laws are concerned, there is nothing there which can be pointed to as proving that those acts are any more or less evil than Shoemaker-Levy impacting Jupiter. Any judgments about the evil of those acts are strictly in our own heads, a result of our morals and ethics.

Moreover, those morals and ethics can be proven to have changed over time, which must mean that the definition of evil has likewise changed. In Victorian times, it was quite acceptable for children to work in the most appalling conditions. Today, that would be considered evil. In Roman times, pederasty was not unknown. It wasn't evil then, and yet today attitudes have changed. What was evil yesterday is not necessarily evil today, and may well be good tomorrow.

This doesn't mean that we are more progressive than those in the past, and it doesn't mean we are more enlightened. It simply means the definitions have changed. Any opinion that our value judgments are somehow better than those of different times and cultures are similarly in our own heads, not something built into the universe.

To add to the questions.... We consider genocide to be a great evil these days, one of the worst we know of. Anyone who participates or attempts genocide is regarded as evil by most of the world. In the Bible though, how many times did God commit genocide? Does that make the Christian God evil?

moi621 (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:39 am A moment of hot tub brilliance.

Evil, like light or the Trinity can be in multiple forms.

Consider light. A particle or a wave? Both at the same time as the Trinity makes three to the same concept.

"Evil couches at the door, its' desire is you"

would speak to an entity.

The creation of the mind of man, like a wave.

When your heart knows it is wrong, and you do it = Evil.

And the decision to do thus may have been influenced by something as definable as light.

ta-da <bow> <bow>

This is not a universal theory as applies to heartless sociopaths.

More to those who approve such behaviors or take part knowing.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:12 am You guys are making Kristoff and I work, no more insults, the next one who does will get an unpaid vacation for a few weeks maybe more if I am in a good mood.

This thread is philosophical not political, keep it that way.

Management.