religion - general discussion

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

A-1,

I'm not exactly sure as to how I've offended/angered you so much, but anyway.

You did say you were cynical! But I am well on the way to being just as cynical too.

You said your aggression was a defence mechanism.

I don't think that I said that if something couldn't be proved to be false then it MUST be true.

Maybe you are replying to your pal sensenbender?!

When I first started learning about Islam I sooooo wanted it to be true. That is very true. All I was saying earlier was that there wasn't as much in Islam that was as mythical or as well known mythical as there is in Christianity such as the Virgin Mary, Jesus being the son of God, walking on water, making wine out of water etc. Even from reading the Qur'an there was nothing about specific dates as to the age of the world. It's certainly no excuse to believing, but I think that there are less known mythological things in Islam then in Christianity.

I did not know about the magic in Muhammad's spit and shit!

I don't find most of the pictures that funny.....it gets a little tiresome after a while. But I don't find them offensive. Not sure why the insistence on me not to open the links.....if you were talking to me (now I'm sounding like De Nero!).

I liked the crybaby Muhammad. Didn't need to be rude to get the best message across. That many muslims are too sensitive to criticism about their religion. I'm sure you will well know that it's only this year that South Park have parodied Muhammad (and even that wasn't much from what I heard). They have long since had a go at everyone else......without a great deal of complaint or threats.

Was there something offensive on the islam.com site?! I have not checked that out for ages. Like I said, the other one was the better link. I did read stuff on islam.com fairly early on though. It is fairly pro Muslim, but it does have articles from non believers too which I thought was reasonably decent of them.

I don't mind if my Islam experience proves that I'm very weak (I probably am). I'm just saying that it points out very important truths about what lengths humans will go to, to be or just try to be happy. I think that people who are unhappy and have low self esteem have the potential to become someone they're not (and this can lead to dangerous situations). That was a main point about starting to explain some of my experiences.

And that women are the Gods of the straight man.

Haven't you seen Mr. Ed or read about the horse Strawberry in The Magician's Nephew? I thought you were an educated man. I will have to do some investigation of my own into Muhammad flying to heaven on this white horse before I agree with you......

I will make you like me buddy!

River, I enjoyed the poem abut Epicurus. Quite simple but spot on.

I don't know a great deal about anything myself, but I will try and suck up (a good connotation for suck this time) the knowledge that you guys have.

I'm with Bobover about the existence of Jesus and Moses. Well I'm a believer that they existed!

And I like your most recent post. If there was a God you would think that there would be much more agreement. And I still need a crutch to lean on. So I am still hoping to be with a superior being.....a woman.

I hope she's not wise otherwise she won't be with me!

I've always been a mummy's boy.

Maybe I should just read Peter Pan?

My truth? That I need to be with a decent female partner to live a really happy life. So I can't just necessarily go out and lead a good life.....unfortunately. I'm reliant on another. There is a brilliant article regarding this on a thread about the negative effects of puberty to do with happiness.

http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?

p=157246#post157246

River, will you close the thread because I've disagreed with you?!

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

A-1,

In regards to reducing my sex drive or not because of women.

For me to be really happy I need to be with a woman that I love a great deal.

I also need that woman to be happy to be with me.

Most other things are pretty small potatoes.

That doesn't mean that I'd do or not do everything that my woman said. For example:

I love to write. I am in the (very slow) process of writing a book on Scottie Pippen. I am not going to stop writing this because she tells me to (I may happen to work very little on it because I am having so much fun with her though!).

I love to listen to music. I am not going to stop this (in my personal time) because she tells me to. She might detest certain music and not want to listen to it herself, which is fair enough. Nevertheless if she was never willing to listen to my music and I was the same with her then it wouldn't bode well for a terrific relationship!

I like to run. I am not going to stop going for the occasional jog because she tells me to.

There is no logical offence that can/should be taken to the previous three activities. But sex is a very different matter. Sex can be offensive to people. It can also cause fear and distrust. It is for those reasons that I don't think I am in a position with anyone to just say, "this is how our relationship is going to be sexually......just accept it."

I've never had sex before. I have however interacted with women, and these have generally been very happy times. The sadness has been that this interacting has not been able to continue. I don't feel that I need sex to be happy (or not), so why not give the other person a major say in how our sexual relationship is?

I realise that this is similar to the attitude that I had towards religion. Religion mattered to her, but not to me, so why would it matter if I converted to Islam? Initially I didn't think that I could ever for one second believe in any of those possibilities, but that changed......and surprisingly quickly.

There isn't a book on sex though that encourages me to agree with all major things about human existence and behaviour or to not agree. Nothing about sex is out there to change who I am.

But for the record, what I think I would want is to be with my woman for six months.....before we first have sex. In some ways I've developed quite a negative view towards sex, sort of in the view of me having it......though I'm trying to change this and believe that I can. So I really want to sleep with my woman and just connect with her, but without sex for a while. And when we do have sex I would try to have it as lovingly with her as possible.......nothing in similarity to the porn that I watch too often. I might only fuck her for two minutes, but I'll try to drag the overall process out to about an hour! It will be a ceremony of sorts.

Then again we might be comfortable and happy just to go on not having sex. I have no idea. But I think that six months of the perfect relationship without sex is firstly what I'd wish for.

[Riverwind (imported)]

River, will you close the thread because I've disagreed with you?!

No Way,

I hoped to really open it up.

If you disagree with me that's all the better.

My point is that no matter what any of us believe, its all different from everybody else, its worse then politics.

Let the good times roll BUT remember to be nice.

River

[A-1 (imported)]

gregrowlerson,

The rant was NOT about you. Basically, I am rather frustrated with those who claim to "SPEAK FOR GOD" or, "SPEAK GOD's WORD" or, (...other such nonsense, "fill in the blank...")

Generally, I want to say that all belief in God is just that, belief, it is NOT justifiable empirically, it is to be taken upon the strength of belief through spiritual justification.

That being said, most people you deal with to day are not MORALLY bankrupt, they are spiritually BANKRUPT.

They carry their so-called "MORALITY" around like a load of shitty diapers, because they DO NOT have the common sense not to shit in their own lives.

Now, I must run but I want everybody who does not think that I am a nut case to THINK about that one.

What has the artificial MORALITY that you have adopted for YOUR life done to MAJORLY FUCK OVER somebody else's life?

Then, maybe, we will be on our way to some sort of agreement, and we can examine why people get so frustrated they draw cartoons of somebody shitting on the Koran and becoming an atheist.

[loveableleopardy (imported)]

Thanks guys again for your messages.

There can be problems sometimes with my writing in that it can be misinterpreted (it's a bit like the Qur'an too in that it's repetitive and far from perfect!). I use exclamations marks a lot.........mostly all of my !!!!!'s are to indicate humour, usually a little left of centre and/or corny/childish. Perhaps I should start writing HA instead!

I will try that.

So River, I was just joking with you about closing the thread because of me. HAHA

I really am liking you guys on the EA.

I am a nice boy. At least my mum will tell you that. HAHA

I don't think it works as well with the HAHA's.

I'm glad the rant was not about me A-1. But I am all for the occasional rant or ramble.

I like the term spiritually bankrupt.

It is hard for me to understand the other points that you make, but I will mull over them. Sometimes I get things after a while.

But I have probably fucked over many people despite having reasonable intentions. HAHA

[Riverwind (imported)]

I had no intention of closing this thread so far.

I welcome more discussion,

I will monitor from here on.

River

[moi621 (imported)]

Question:

Is an Atheist one who does not believe in the GOD of the Bible

or

one who believes in no, paranormal stuff?

Moi

I believe in paranormal stuff.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Question:

Is an Atheist one who does not believe in the GOD of the Bible

or

one who believes in no, paranormal stuff?

Moi

I believe in paranormal stuff.

An Atheist, like my son does not believe an any god from any religion.

or

If he needs a god he will become one.

me on the other hand, I believe in the gods, all of them I don't want to leave any out, it might hurt there little feelings and bruise there ego.

My favorites are Mother Earth and Father Moon/sky. This is better then most religions because I can see and feel and touch my gods - can you?

River the Pagan

[A-1 (imported)]

An Atheist, like my son does not believe an any god from any religion.

or

If he needs a god he will become one.

me on the other hand, I believe in the gods, all of them I don't want to leave any out, it might hurt there little feelings and bruise there ego.

My favorites are Mother Earth and Father Moon/sky. This is better then most religions because I can see and feel and touch my gods - can you?

River the Pagan

River,

It is written, "...Gods that nobody believes in, die."

Rather harsh, but empirically reasonable...

[gareth19 (imported)]

Question:

Is an Atheist one who does not believe in the GOD of the Bible

or

one who believes in no, paranormal stuff?

Moi

I believe in paranormal stuff.

An atheist is one who does not believe in any controlling, eternal spiritual entity, either as formulated by an organized body of belief or as revealed by natural understanding and believes that the existence of such an entity is contrary to the evidence and is a form of superstition.

An agnostic is one who does not believe that such an entity has been shown to exist but is willing to believe that the existence of such an entity is possible.

A deist believes such an entity exists but believes that formalized worship and belief systems do not adequately, truly, or completely understand the nature of that entity.

A Muslim believes that such an entity exists and that he laid out the rules to an Arabic camel trader in the 6th century.

A Christian believes that such an entity exists and lived as a celibate Jewish carpenter and left one of his friends to mind the store in Rome til he comes back.

A Protestant believes the season tickets to heaven dropped out of the carpenter's pocket on the way up to heaven and you can get them for a discount if you know the right people.

Mormons believe that after being crucified, the celibate carpenter took a vacation to Disneyland and suddenly decided that instead of being celibate everyone should get married, as often as possible

Dan Brown believes that everyone who met the carpenter and his early followers was completely wrong and that he was getting it on with a hooker and that somehow the sexually adventurous Romans turned into nineteenth-century Puritans bent on suppressing in Christians what they themselves were doing all the time.

Scientologists believe that you can be happy if you rely on a failed Sci-Fi writer and pay money for a course of plagarized Freudian psychoanalysis.

Samuel Eliott Morrison believes that any historical claim that makes nonsense out of what follows is false.

Buddhists believe that life is a bitch and you should try to get out of it, but that when you understand this your consolation is that you are smarter than everyone else who wastes time looking for peace, happiness, or money.

Hindus believe that there is a god who can be all things but is largely irrelevant.