This is a very disturbing story for me. FEELING TRAPPED. I think we all know the feeling here. Trapped in a relationship, a church belief, a fascination about castration.

It's like a 20 car pile up on the freeway. We want to see more but it's a tragedy.

That's what makes it worth the read.

There are a lot of things in the theme/plot that are bound to hit nerves in all of us.

Have, rather quickly scanned the latest chapter. I will have to reread it in depth to get the full impact. It is a great series. I am wondering how Scottie will feel when he wakes from his "enforced" nap.

Mr. Poore should be "CAPPED" if you get my drift. Terrorizing kids with spankings pictures of them nude and BUTT PLUGS... I mean, FUCKING BUTT PLUGS? Catheterizing their penises to control their bodily functions. AND you think a kid who experiences this treatment could EVER grow up to be NORMAL?

Benny's mother is a BITCH. Giving Depoprovera to a pre-pubesent boy to delay puberty is criminal. Benny is for all intent purposes already castrated. I do not understand why he has a sex drive at all.

This story to me is like reading "Children of the Corn" or some such thing. Sure, you feel trapped. Wanna know why? You are. Just like Scotty, except you are being MIND FUCKED.

Well, we strip Scotty and "watch Scotty grow" so that he can have his penis played with unconsentually. Ever heard of DATE RAPE? How does that compare to what is being done to Scotty? No DIFFERENCE!!!

This whole underground, law enforcement officer and all, needs to be put into prison where THEY can become somebody's BITCH for a while and then see how they like it.

What would you all say if these children, and they ARE children, were GIRLS? Would it still be right to make them go nude, wear BUTT PLUGS and submit to whatever tittilation a MIDDLE AGED MAN decided that he wanted to do to them? Even if he told them he loved them and they believed him?

Can't you just hear it now, baby doll, Daddy loves you. Now, pull down your pants and let us play "HIDE THE SAUSAGE". Or better yet, let us give you an ooverectomy and a hysterectomy before you reach puberty. Then, we can give you hormone treatments to grow your breasts and hips and you can enjoy sex without ever getting pregnant.

Maybe these little girls would get the STOCKHOLM SYNDROME, too. Imagine, an ISLAMIC PARADISE ON EARTH... 75 VIRGINS, or permanently adolescent girls to fuck. Because you love them, and they love you?

I mean, if you are identifying with these characters and falling in love with that child-molesting son-of-a-bitch Mr. Poore, you have some serious thinking to do.

Forget Benny, what if this scenario I described were happening to your SISTER? I cannot picture this shit in a sane world without a consequence. Paradise? Utopia? Hardly!

Imagine, castrating a child and then cutting the head of his penis off because you have him so deep in a Stockholm Syndrome that he believes that he wants it? Now, then! did Patty Hearst REALLY became a terrorist for the SLA? The poor little RICH GIRL, kidnapped and raped, kept NAKED in a closet until she became TANIA? What would you say if they kidnapped Paris Hilton clitorectomized her and turned her into an Islamic Suicide Bomber?

Seeing any parallels yet? If you are not you really need to...

Poore is one step away fom the psyche of a Jeffery Dahlmer, or John Wayne Gacy. He is a NARCISSTIC BASTARD! All he has to do is to decide that he wants to rid himself of one of these boys for a younger one and guess what he will do to keep from getting caught?

I am not done with Benny's mother yet, either, the silly BITCH! Chemically castrating her own son. If she could not stop him from going through puberty would she beat him or perhaps kill him?

It may seem like a fantasy world, but it is a DARK FANTASY. Of course, each of us carries a bit of darkness in our souls. But man, this is MIDNIGHT in the Black forest with no moon and no stars.

Scotty is GAY? Well, is there or is there not a denial about the development of ALL children and how they pass through a Freudian stage where they exhibit traits that could be called Gay? Some stay and some do not. Why?

Why do girls kissing each other with tongue (Like Madonna and Britney Spears on that awards show) tittillate heterosexuals? BUT, if George Michaels and Tom Cruise or maybe Brad Pitt and Tommy Lee doing a bump and grind while slipping each other the tongue doesn't this make make heterosexuals want to puke? What happens if this stage is "fixated" and they have tendencies toward Gayness all of their lives. Is this what a BISEXUAL is?

Think that Scotty is Gay? He may GET Gay if this bunch fixates him with a butt plug. Or, maybe he will just get Bisexual and still want girls. OR, maybe he will just want a girl who will fuck him up the ass with a dildo. That is, if they do not Stockholm Syndrome him into becoming a EUNUCH.

I tell you, this story is DISTURBING. However, it IS well written and it is not any more disturbing than SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Just remember, this IS fiction, people do not do this in the REAL WORLD and it is NOT acceptable to have this done to you if you are a child and it is not acceptable for an ADULT to manipulate a child's emotions in this manner.

It is, just like Hannibal Lector, MONSTROUS...

I don't recall anyone claiming any of these characters were admirable. Tv and bookshops are full of stories of serial killers, rapists, gangs, cults, child abuse and child neglect. The latter category, particularly the " true story- have a weep over this" child abuse story is particularly popular amongst middle aged mothers. Are they bad people for Reading these books?

"There is no such thing as a moral or immoral book. Books are either well written or badly written. That is all." - Oscar Wilde

Waka Gashira (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:00 am I don't recall anyone claiming any of these characters were admirable. Tv and bookshops are full of stories of serial killers, rapists, gangs, cults, child abuse and child neglect. The latter category, particularly the " true story- have a weep over this" child abuse story is particularly popular amongst middle aged mothers. Are they bad people for Reading these books?

"There is no such thing as a moral or immoral book. Books are either well written or badly written. That is all." - Oscar Wilde

No, but we need to call it like it is from time to time. You know, like Hannibal the Cannibal and all of that.

Oscar Wilde speaks from his own perspective. What one considers moral or immoral is a personal choice for an adult.

Then there IS the Stockholm Syndrome (http://www.mental-health-matters.com/in ... cle&id=167)perspective.

Oscar Wilde IS wrong one thing, though. A book CAN and SHOULD be classified as suitable for adults only and ALL of the stories in the E.A. are classified that way, for ADULTS ONLY. This is why there are NO MINORS allowed on this web site. It it is discovered that a member is a minor, or that a member says that they are a minor, that membership is terminated immediately.

You DO NOT want to be a party to creating a Eunuch mentality as groups such as the SKOPTSY have done in historical times. International Law prohibits the castration of male children for ANY reason, except medical reasons, and those decisions are not made lightly.

The stuff of this story is homoerotic and abusive. While homoerotic is moral and not a crime in a society abuse is NEVER moral, however, in some societies, unfortunately, it is still legal.

A book cannot be imorral. It can be unsuitable for minors to read, but that reflects nothing upon the book itself or it's writer.

There is no ambiguity as to the morality of the characters. Suggesting that there is, is, I think, slightly patronising.

Stories about child abuse, both fictional and true, are written, published and read daily. Many are bestsellers. No one would dare label the readers of such fiction as wannabe paedophiles. Stories are written to encouage thought in the reader, and or an emotional response.

The story in question has aspects of a child abuse story, and of erotic fiction. The erotic aspect is arguably disconnected from the fact the victims are children. With afew changes to the plot, the erotic aspects of the series could as easily be focused on 18+ year olds. The age of the characters /is/ important due to biological facts surrounding the subject of puberty and castration. One could as easily add an arbitrary number to the ages of Canyon and Benny to raise them above 18 and pretend benny had been on androgen blockers for 8 years and haddnt been smart enough to get clued up on what's going on, if that would make the experience of reading this series more pallatable.

The story is also told from the perspective of the boys, not from the abuser or the neglecter. It's therefore fairly clear that this story is not attempting to turn people into child abusers.

I have read plenty of these child abuse stories here on the archive, and can state with conviction that this one is mild in comparison to some I have seen.

For example, "disciplining their boys" by paolo, I found frankly terrifying, and seemed to focus much more on gratuitous abuse. The series often made me feel sick to my stomach. I do not criticise Paolo for this; his series must have been very well written to trigger such a powerful response. I did not enjoy reading that series, again, not the authors fault but my own, for continuing to read a story I could see held little hope of becoming less disturbing. I did, however, finish the series, and was very glad when the abusing characters I had come to hate so much had been brought to lawful justice.

Reading, or writing these stories is NOT immoral, and the stories aren't immoral themselves. The scariest story of child abuse I've read was written by Paolo, who is, I believe, pretty well loved around here, and is also a loving father.

If it is possible to "disagree" with fiction, it is easy to stop Reading it... Much as I did with the Bible. I am glad that I live in a country where all books are held in respect as tomes of knowledge or art, regardless of disagreeable content. We do not burn books.

Finally, who is to say that the detestable characters in this series won't get what they deserve? Who is to say that benny might not lead an uprising and free all the controlled boys? If a book /could/ be immoral, it ought not be judged until it has Bern given the opportunity to reach a "moral conclusion".

Waka Gashira (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:17 am For example, "disciplining their boys" by paolo, I found frankly terrifying, and seemed to focus much more on gratuitous abuse. The series often made me feel sick to my stomach. I do not criticise Paolo for this; his series must have been very well written to trigger such a powerful response.

Thanks. I think...

This one was produced mainly for therapeutic reasons during a very dark period of my life. I'm not proud of it in the least. But at the time, it seemed like a good idea, with Bboy's coaching and use of 'imaginary whipping boys.' Enough of that...

A-1, don't hold back - tell us what you really think.

Just do it without the political and religious references, please, thank you, and all that jazz.

A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:42 pm I tell you, this story is DISTURBING. However, it IS well written and it is not any more disturbing than SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Just remember, this IS fiction, people do not do this in the REAL WORLD and it is NOT acceptable to have this done to you if you are a child and it is not acceptable for an ADULT to manipulate a child's emotions in this manner.

SO help me, you scare the author off and I don't find out how this all ends, I will come over there and kick your ass, A-1! LOL

Paolo wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:15 pm SO help me, you scare the author off and I don't find out how this all ends, I will come over there and kick your ass, A-1! LOL

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Paolo can I hold your coat? :-\ Ernie