On Sep 6th, 2002 I went to see Dr Kimmel with theFraj and Luvpain. They waited for me and as I was walking down the hall to be with my friends carring all the stuff the Doc gave me including my balls in a jar, I had this thought.

I am finally complete,

River

chilliwilli (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:25 am is there a time when a eunuch ever feels complete?

chilli-

I still remember what i was thinking in my head as i got up from the operation... Free at last, free at last, thank god almighty, i am free at last. really though, i am not sure if i feel complete.... Maybe a little bit less complete. to be truthful I'm not sure what complete to me would be....

z

donny collins (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:21 am Hey Fellas: I have no idea about what's the "normal" length of time it takes to get over the shock of becoming eunuch but I am still not adjusted. I was castrated last december and I am still messed up mentally and emotionally. I recently resolved some problems with my dad and am in hormone treatment (BUT even though it is explained to me often by the doctor, I am still confused and unhappy). Guess I still have some recovery to do. Does anyone know if there is an accepted "common" length of recovery for us?

Just curious. Was this a Voluntary castration ? Or was it for medical purposes? I mean like 20 yrs old is rather young to be doing such a thing. But thats not my department. I started on a regieme of Cyproterone Acetate almost 6 years ago. My t-cell count was ZILCH about a year after I started. And it took me about a year before I accepted the fact that I still had it :dong: but it was totally useless for me. I would never go back. My suggestion is skip the HRT and accept the life as a Eunich. Believe me, its worth it.

BTW! If I could have found a reliable Doc back then to make me a 'Nullo' I would have gone that route. I still am looking for one to remove this useless object to complete my wish.

Streetglide:

Your right about some doctors who think HRT is a one size fits all. I urge you to advocate for yourself. How? Start making some detailed notes on your symptoms and share that with the doctor who writes your prescriptions. Get a copy of all your hormone labs and see where you fit vs the average male your age. Most doctors start on the lowest dose and then based on your response and the labs work up or down. If you "in range" which is a huge swing most won't do anything unless you make a fuss. I strongly suggest you make that fuss if things are not great. It took me a while to get mine where I felt right.

And for what its worth I "volenteered" to have my orchiectomy but it was medical. *Chronic pain. And I think I understand the desires of some to be free of Testosterone and the way it wires us I am very happy that way and probably am wired properly for the first time since I had my initial medical problems that caused the chronic pains. Sex and sexual urges? Well. It "can" be very nice!:)

and leave us not forget the increased energry, mental clarity (A huge thing for me) and mood. Crying at On Star Commercials just got old!

streetglide (imported) wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:01 am Three and a half years ago I thought my life was over. I had been in the hospital once before...and then the nurse wrapped me up in a blanket and Mom and Dad brought me home in a 62 Beetle.

After the accident things went from bad to worse to horrible and then started leveling off. One day I realized that I was at the bottom and things could only go up from there.

I've found that life DOESN'T end with castration. But it's still a pretty cruel thing to do to a guy whose only contact with the subject had been in reference to livestock.

Replacement therapy isn't perfect, and I'd love to experiment with different ones to see if things could be even better. But our medical system seems to believe in the one size fits all theory.

Right now, I'm strong and healthy, and I have drive and ambition again.

So in answer to the original question.....It took me about three years to adapt/adjust. And one thing I have to point out, TALKING ABOUT IT HELPS!!!! At least in my case it did.

As you can see, I talk, and I talk, and I talk....

donny collins (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:21 am Hey Fellas: I have no idea about what's the "normal" length of time it takes to get over the shock of becoming eunuch but I am still not adjusted. I was castrated last december and I am still messed up mentally and emotionally. I recently resolved some problems with my dad and am in hormone treatment (BUT even though it is explained to me often by the doctor, I am still confused and unhappy). Guess I still have some recovery to do. Does anyone know if there is an accepted "common" length of recovery for us?

Wow, well Donny, I can only speculate on the circumstances of your castration. And since you mention later on forgiving, or having a better relationship with your father, my mind runs wild as to the scenarios that might have brought this about. All of that is ONE issue, the trauma of the situation, the REASON you were castrated needs to be addressed. Only then can you mentally accept, that what is done is done...and in this case it is indeed well and truly done, no amount of wishing is going to bring them back. Finding or redefining your definitions of masculinity are also key, for me it's about not being a eunuch, it is about being a guy that happens to be nutless. Or as my BF coined for me a NutlessStud.

Second, get the hormones balanced for YOU. Each man is very individual in the levels of testosterone he needs to "feel" good. For me, it takes a lot, I don't know why, but my body seems to be somewhat immune to the stuff, if I fall much below 600 or so, I feel like crap. Weak, tired, slow, lethargic, lazy, apathetic, no energy, and really no desire for energy either, and of course all the sexual ability is basically out the window...along with any desire for it, and the effects on my body are almost immediate, increased fat, decreased muscle, like a switch is flipped. So, for me I take 200 MG, IM, every week.

Now, I know some guys are perfectly fine at levels much lower, and in fact they report that they feel better, without any of the negative symptoms that happen to me when their levels are below 200. They are MORE energetic, happy, content, feel more mentally alert, and focused, capable of managing their body composition (or just accepting it), they actually feel MORE sexual with fantasies, and sexual thoughts becoming more intense, and they feel a wider range of emotions with greater intensity.

So, this is as someone else said NOT a one-size fits all deal. Advocate for yourself, push hard, to find a doctor willing to "experiment" with your dosages. Willing to try different doses, and also different delivery methods (some guys do very well with the Gel for example). Physiologically, there is really no reason you can't be as you once were on HRT. Good luck

Most do good on 100 mg of depo testosterone however some like less a week 5% sometimes 10% of the Testosterone gels Testim and androgel.

I have heard few however not very many have more than 100 mg of testosterone a week as normally this gets the levels in the upper range already.

nonuts (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:31 pm Wow, well Donny, I can only speculate on the circumstances of your castration. And since you mention later on forgiving, or having a better relationship with your father, my mind runs wild as to the scenarios that might have brought this about. All of that is ONE issue, the trauma of the situation, the REASON you were castrated needs to be addressed. Only then can you mentally accept, that what is done is done...and in this case it is indeed well and truly done, no amount of wishing is going to bring them back. Finding or redefining your definitions of masculinity are also key, for me it's about not being a eunuch, it is about being a guy that happens to be nutless. Or as my BF coined for me a NutlessStud.

Second, get the hormones balanced for YOU. Each man is very individual in the levels of testosterone he needs to "feel" good. For me, it takes a lot, I don't know why, but my body seems to be somewhat immune to the stuff, if I fall much below 600 or so, I feel like crap. Weak, tired, slow, lethargic, lazy, apathetic, no energy, and really no desire for energy either, and of course all the sexual ability is basically out the window...along with any desire for it, and the effects on my body are almost immediate, increased fat, decreased muscle, like a switch is flipped. So, for me I take 200 MG, IM, every week.

Now, I know some guys are perfectly fine at levels much lower, and in fact they report that they feel better, without any of the negative symptoms that happen to me when their levels are below 200. They are MORE energetic, happy, content, feel more mentally alert, and focused, capable of managing their body composition (or just accepting it), they actually feel MORE sexual with fantasies, and sexual thoughts becoming more intense, and they feel a wider range of emotions with greater intensity.

So, this is as someone else said NOT a one-size fits all deal. Advocate for yourself, push hard, to find a doctor willing to "experiment" with your dosages. Willing to try different doses, and also different delivery methods (some guys do very well with the Gel for example). Physiologically, there is really no reason you can't be as you once were on HRT. Good luck

My experience with the HRT is a bad one. Its been 3 years post op & at the ripe old age of 23 I feel more like 60.... Well, i guess i can only guess what its like to be 60, but i feel tired and upset a lot of the time.

Personality...

After the surgery i waited awhile for the big changes. Then i Started on Estrogen HRT. I knew T at the time was not for me. Though growing breasts hurts so i cut way back on the E & yeah, here i am today.

My personality is eunuch, or wait, maybe i feel that's my gender. Its too hard for me to try to be a man or a woman. I have an androgynous mind set i think...

z

homptydumpty (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:44 am Personality...

After the surgery i waited awhile for the big changes. Then i Started on Estrogen HRT. I knew T at the time was not for me. Though growing breasts hurts so i cut way back on the E & yeah, here i am today.

My personality is eunuch, or wait, maybe i feel that's my gender. Its too hard for me to try to be a man or a woman. I have an androgynous mind set i think...

Not to pry (any more than usual)...

Are you sexually active at present? If so, I assume, it's with a male

(right so far?) but I'm curious as regards what your participation level is and what manner and level of gratification you achieve.

Nice to see you here again, BTW!

Yoli The Ever Curious