castreer pedofiel

[talula]

My red lights are going off on this thread

I do mean an entire countries worth of red lights.

tal

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

I have to add to this, again, I dont see my self as victim of sexual abuse, I see myself as a suvivor of sexual abuse.

As said: "I bow to all of you"

I will save the nicest bow for you ukeununch

loveUall

Jean

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

My red lights are going off on this thread

I do mean an entire countries worth of red lights.

tal

Thanks, as I started this thread, I was waiting for this.

I could tell a lot about a country full of red lights. A young generation that has lost all respect as they have never learned that other people care about them. Why should they care about other people.................

We are going to pay the bill, and if we don't want to understand, the price will become extremely high.

I just wanted to be sure that I have warned, and I calculated that several people would not understand. They need to see hell before they believe it

Maybe they take love for granted, as it was always there, so they will not understand what is going to happen if you take it away

I have no intentions to harm this board. This discussion is only connected to the EA, as for my desire to get castrated

Kristoff, thanks, for not kicking me out. I still remember your mail from the moment I became a member. I don't know when and why I earned the respect that I could say this on EA

Any-one should feel free to send mail, doesn't matter if you need to hurt me, if you have questions or if you just want to understand....

but I guess there is said enough on this thread.

Talula, this was a Dutch party, before you leave, please don't forget to pay the bill

loveUall

Jean

[nullorchis (imported)]

I have to add to this, again, I dont see my self as victim of sexual abuse, I see myself as a suvivor of sexual abuse.

That's a very good point, and point of view.

In a way, abuse and cancer share a few similarities.

Nobody asks for or wants cancer.

And when you get it you either treat it or not.

And whether you treat it or not, you are forced to mentally deal with it.

You can try to ignore it, whether you are treating it or not, but you never can really ignore it as it is in your consciousness and memory.

You know it is there, so you mentally handle it in some way.

Either by being overwhelmed, devastated, and put yourself into a mental state that only further fuels your physical decline,

Or you put on a stiff upper lip and try to keep a hopeful positive attitude and use your moments here on earth to enjoy life.

And if the cancer is defeated, it really is never totally completed defeated (usually). You need to get check ups to see if it has returned.

You are a survivor of cancer free to live daily life without it being a daily threat.

Anyone who suffers mental, physical, or sexual abuse is basically being invaded by something they don't want. In this case it is another person (or persons) instead of a cancer, but they are your personal cancer.

You either seek treatment, or you don't.

And whether you do, or don't, while that cancer is imposing itself upon you you have to deal with it. You can try to ignore it, but it is still there so you have to divert your energy in some way; you can't just function as if it wasn't there.

And even when the abuse finally stops and you are rid of the cancer, even if you are never again abused, the effects of the cancerous period are in some way or another ingrained in your memory and those memories have to be dealt with somehow from time to time.

While the cancer/abuse is happening you are a victim.

Once the cancer/abuse stops you can be a survivor, but only if you are not a victim of yourself.

You can sit around hating cancer and despising it for how it affected you and how many days of your life were lost dealing with it. Or deal with it in more positive and productive ways.

What If we could treat recovery from and survivorship of abuse like cancer, and seek periodic checkups to make sure that our memories of that abuse were not resurfacing in some way to harm us.

If we could look upon those who abuse us not as people, but as a cancer, then there would be no reason for shame, or guilt, or inner demons. It was something that happened to us, not by choice, not by a disease but by someone who was diseased themselves.

We shouldn't hate cancer for invading us. ((Hate in any form towards anything is a dual pointed sword. Whether hate is expressed openly or held inside, we are always harming ourselves.))

We don't forgive cancer when we manage to suppress it. We may fear it and desire to be free of it. And when we are free of it there should only be relief, a new lease on life, a great appreciation for life without it.

And so it should be once abuse is gone. Be thankful, feel free, avoid guilt, avoid hate, no need to forgive, and attempts to forget will be futile. Deal with it as a survivor as EKRUNUCH is doing.

Certainly as we age we will not be the subject of sexual abuse as a child, dominated over by an adult. Unfortunately however abuse comes in many forms even as we age. Many abuse themselves in many ways. Many still permit others to abuse them in many ways. Sometimes we let religion or politics or business abuse us in some way. Sometimes we get so use to low levels of abuse we don't notice when it is increasing in intensity. (like the frog in the pot who enjoyed that the water was getting warmer and warmer, from the flames that were under the pot and the frog never noticed slipping into an overheated coma).

Unlike real cancer there are no chemical or biological cures to help us recover from and survive abuse. Nobody, no therapist, no amount of writing or reading, no number of words, no amount of hope is going to be a miracle potion to cure anyone who was a victim of abuse; but these things are all tools, like drugs are to cancer and it is the individual who must seek out those tools and use them and engage our own self, our own minds to help ourselves be not ongoing victims of abuse but survivors of abuse. Then perhaps by moving forward and trying to help other victims become survivors we can be assured of a long lasting survivorship ourselves.

It all sounds so obvious, so simple, so easy in print. But it isn't. We almost become addicted to our memories of abuse and no matter how hard we try we can't break free of that addiction. In some way memories of abuse are almost like an addictive drug that keep us from helping ourselves. If we can't free ourselves from that addiction then that is the point where we must seek out others to help us find a way to break the habit. A friend, a support group, a therapist. Recovery from abuse, surviving abuse. Over time the sharpness of the memories will dull somewhat and most of the time they will not even be within our awareness. It is when a memory re-enters our mind that we then need to draw upon our inner resources to snuff out that cancer so that we can return to living life, not dwelling upon old memories.

Cheers.

[kristoff]

My red lights have been flashing on this thread from the beginning. I am not hesitant to talk of child abuse, sexual or otherwise - it needs to be spoken of plainly.

Where I hesitate is in giving platform to those who have done it and scornfully thumb their noses at the authority which prosecutes them.

Having worked for 14 years in "corrections" (a poor name for the field) dealing with sex offenders, many of them child offenders, I've come to many conclusions. Among them, as related to this thread, is that many child offenders are stunted in their own emotional maturation such that they are dealing with their age-mates when harming children. They do not see their actions as harmful - it seems beyond them. Many also rationalize and justify their offensive behavior as being "loving" towards all or some children in particular. Nothing is farther from the truth. Most often, these are some of the most manipulative and using people you will find occupying any society.

If someone offends against children, and wishes to have themselves castrated as a preventative action (it is definitely NOT curative), I do not object. I oppose it as a state function of punishment - I'd rather lock them up so that we never have to deal such an issue again with them - castrated offenders can still harm children (and other adults).

Where my biggest objection lies in this thread is the apparent scorn for the authorities and the victims here, and the defiance involved in the desired castration.

At my own level, I hope you are successful in attaining your wish. You will find in the end that you have only scorned yourself - a just end to child sexual abuse.

Meanwhile, at least for now, the thread will remain open so others may have opportunity to vent the history and emotion of their own experiences, and that the rationalizations, justifications, and excuses may be viewed for what they are.

[chilliwilli (imported)]

I think a severe beating including castration and removal from society, in whatever fashion, is due for child abusers. A pedophile is nothing more than a severe sociopath with a desire for children. Why else would a person completely violate all laws of society, at the basic familial levels, for a deviant sexual urge, if they were not a complete sociopath?

"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time". With that said, I think a few people have understood molesters thru the years. A molester caught is the only molester ever "seeking" forgiveness. What they really want is back in society, to not be a monster, an outsider, to be something more than what they are, a leech on society. Murders, racked with guilt, turn themselves in occasionally, or make death bed confessions. Have you ever heard of a molester turning themself in over guilt? No a molester is just that, and will always be! Presenting for forgiveness for the sake of forgiving, to a group of folks with a high level of sexual victimization in there history, is just continuing the abuse. Why not go work with the homeless, or the elderly or other victims of negelect and abuse in society? That is how a pedophile can redeem themselves. By never disturbing a victim again, never asking for forgiveness, and assisting society in whatever fashion that is accetable and possible. In this way a molester can have a "life" outside prison walls.

I would love to smash in your skull with a wooden bat, kinda like Al Capone, that is my "cure" for molesters. (I'm pretty sure in days of the ancients this is what likely happened.)

This writting is not to "vent" on perp's, it is to encourage other victims to not let these monsters back in your hearts and homes. Let someone else give them forgiveness, like homeless alcoholics, drug addicts or impoverished, better yet let them seek forgiveness from murders, rapists and other violent felons.

Now...that was me being nice!

chilli-:D

[Taylor (imported)]

I've said this before but I'll repeat it.

In my opinion, sexual predators are the worst kind of scum and child sexual predators are the worst of the worst.

They cannot be cured, they cannot be reasoned with and they WILL re-offend.

There should be one sentence for child molesters, put them on their knees and put a .38 hollowpoint in the back of their heads.

T.

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

I've said this before but I'll repeat it.

In my opinion, sexual predators are the worst kind of scum and child sexual predators are the worst of the worst.

They cannot be cured, they cannot be reasoned with and they WILL re-offend.

There should be one sentence for child molesters, put them on their knees and put a .38 hollowpoint in the back of their heads.

T.

Oh yes please. Do it. I visited a nudist beach with a boy and his parents. After that he stayed at my home, and oh my god he saw me naked as I went to the bathroom I was comdemned on that point.

So please, get your gun, shoot me for this and then turn it over and shoot again, you finish two assholes at one day.

I know, I have asked for this. But I see serious reactions, and I am waiting with a reply. But on shit like you are spitting you can get an instant answer.

If your mind is up to molesting people like that, please find help

loveAlotofU

Jean

[talula]

Apparently I have not paid the bill to a sufficient amount.

tal

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Apparently I have not paid the bill to a sufficient amount.

tal

Tal, sorry. I was asking for something, shouldn't have used your name.

Kristoff, please forget about the PM.

Reading this:

Presenting for forgiveness for the sake of forgiving, to a group of folks with a high level of sexual victimization in there history, is just continuing the

abuse.

was a direct hit.

As I have said, I am changing. These things can reach me now.

But it shouldn't be on the board: I am going to find me professional help, today.That's a promise to you all. This time I am free, and I want it, maybe it works

thank you

Jean