mrt (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:29 am I think you and I must disagree. Every Orchiectomy is "Voluntary" no surgeon can cut on you unless you agree. What we disagree about (I think) are "fetish" Castrations. Like the UFO Cult people or the guy who wants it done by groups of evil whip wielding women with their sleeves rolled up or whatever. And frankly I don't mind that this is not easily available to them. Its these types of people that had my Urologist second guessing my motives. Is he one of THEM?

Is there a gap for men with slightly less "Mainstream" motives? I've gone back and forth on that. I clearly support pedaphiles who want to be castrated. I've got kids and the less adults who want to rape and or kill kids the better. Is there a way for them to get that done? I "think" so. As to UFO cults and people who want their balls fried up for dinner? I frankly don't give a $hit.

I think the consequences are that we are not supporting or encouraging people to hurt themselves. The member I mentioned took a mirror some numbing drugs and a scapel and put himself directly into the ER long enough to recover and be locked up in the rubber room. He died from complications when a Urologist tried to straighten out the mess.

Well you brought it up. Fantasy IS the story section. I've read more then a few stories. Many are (I admit) not even close to being my cup of tea because I think they are just what? Rubbish? Guys having a last ejaculation while having their nads cut off with a butcher knife? Outside of the obvious (The guy WILL bleed to death and if somehow he doesn't I can't imagine the number of infections he would have) I rather doubt anyone ANYONE could have that happen and have the slightest chance of climaxing. This hurts like hell WITH opiates!

Slaves and all that? Huh? I'm pretty vanilla but so much of that is semi criminal crazy stuff to me. And anything with kids? Its fortunate that I am not the moderator because that $hi& would ALL be flushed and turned over to the cops if I were in charge.

What about people like me, who self-identify as neither male nor female? Are we seeking a "fetish" castration? Should I go join a UFO cult?

tugon (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:45 pm The mods' here are not dealing with choice of speakers but sometimes keeping people from a dangerous situation.

I don't mean this to sound nasty, or supportive of self-harm, but if this site is worried about preventing impressionable people from doing stupid things, why is it sponsored by BME of all places?

Geraden (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:33 pm What about people like me, who self-identify as neither male nor female? Are we seeking a "fetish" castration? Should I go join a UFO cult?

No, because I think that any good surgeon would reject people who want to be castrated so they can enter the mother ship and fly to Mars.

As to your point of this being a Fetish Castration. Do you feel a sexual thrill will result in being castrated? Do you hope to have it done in some ritual fashion? Maybe by a cast of angry man hating women in robes? Or something similar where you are "forced" to have it done? Maybe video taped for humiliation purposes? Or have your wife / gf / mother in law do it because she has a new boyfriend etc? Thats some of the scenes I think of as a "Fetish" Castration.

What your talking about is probably the Male to Eunuch type of thing. I admit I'm far from understanding this but there are people like Jesus and Prof W who are writing some papers that may "mainstream" this as is M2F Transexuality. Is it "valid" or "as" Valid as the current transexuals are? I really am not sure! In some cases becoming asexual is (I think) a valid choice that I'm all for. I think at least some percentage of what we are now calling M2E folks "might" just be classic transexuals and they ought to be given a very good chance to explore that option first. I have one friend (from here) who opted for this with scrotum removal so he could NEVER go forward with his TS desires because he didn't want to hurt his family. That (I think) was both noble and tragic.

Geraden (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:38 pm I don't mean this to sound nasty, or supportive of self-harm, but if this site is worried about preventing impressionable people from doing stupid things, why is it sponsored by BME of all places?

This is not BME and frankly I don't support what they do there and if we did I would not support this site either.

Geraden (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:38 pm I don't mean this to sound nasty, or supportive of self-harm, but if this site is worried about preventing impressionable people from doing stupid things, why is it sponsored by BME of all places?

BME is of Canadian origin.

The E.A. is using their server and I understand that is because BME furnishes service in interest of the body modification angle. The E.A. does not do the picture thing and as far as they go is the (fictional) story archive.

So, the people who run the E.A. are not necessarily connected with BME. Therefore, the E.A. is responsible for what happens in connection with the E.A. site.

So we abide by the rules that make the people who run this place comfortable. Personally, I have constantly posted here because I have seen how people can get themselves in trouble trying to 'do' things to themselves.

For the most part, desires to 'modify' your body (by cutting) is still considered in medicine to be a classifiable mental disorder. However, there are extenuating circumstances regarding the removal of gonads. The subject is interesting to many from an academic standpoint, but it is also interesting from a human and sociological standpoint.

Rather than to paint everybody with a desire (fantasy or real) to be sexless, or those who actually are with a broad brush, it is better to bring those folks together to discuss the subject and to discuss the issue.

Again, practicing medicine without a license is illegal, and if it were not it would STILL be immoral. The standard advice here is to find a qualified practicioner of medicine to do any sort of modification or surgery so that at least you will have a chance NOT to get into trouble. By modification, I am not talking merely piercings and certain cuttings, but things that any real person who practiced medicine with a license would not do without the benefit of anesthetic.

What is needed is a voice of sanity, not an encouragement to do as one's fantasy distates. If a person is insistant about what they want to get done and sincere there are medical practitioners who will help. But for this to happen a medical practitoner HAS to be certain that the person requesting is NOT afflicted with a mental disorder as defined by law. Otherwise, malpractice becomes an issue.

As our own resident expert, (Jesus), will tell you, it is not easy to get mainstream medicine to do an orchiectomy (or any other procedure) as easily as they might do a circumcision, a facelift, a breast reduction or implant or some other elective surgery that society considers as "normal". They are currently being done only for specified medical conditions.

It is imperative to present this place as credible for the sake of those who have no other problems except that they want to be sexless. Researching this site will reveal that it is not necessary to have surgery to be sexless, and that that state may be reached through chemical means alone.

Meanwhile, while the steps to become a voluntary eunuch through surgical means are slowly being established, steps that will in time allow this to happen for some sincere people, this site MUST be reasonable and not given to 'playing to' life-threatening fantasies.

Make no mistake about it, there have been individuals here who have had a surgical procedure for whatever reason, and have been left in a severe state of Depression, and have attempted to take their own life as a result.

What is discussed here IS NOT something to be taken lightly or something that will make all of your dreams come true. It is a life changing event and something that must be seriously prepared for if you are to achieve your desired outcome, whatever that may be.

This is no matter who you are and what are your reasons for needing or desiring this.

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mrt (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:02 pm What your talking about is probably the Male to Eunuch type of thing. I admit I'm far from understanding this but there are people like Jesus and Prof W who are writing some papers that may "mainstream" this as is M2F Transexuality. Is it "valid" or "as" Valid as the current transexuals are? I really am not sure! In some cases becoming asexual is (I think) a valid choice that I'm all for. I think at least some percentage of what we are now calling M2E folks "might" just be classic transexuals and they ought to be given a very good chance to explore that option first. I have one friend (from here) who opted for this with scrotum removal so he could NEVER go forward with his TS desires because he didn't want to hurt his family. That (I think) was both noble and tragic.

Hi MrT,

From what I read and discussions I have had, including when I was in the gender program at the University of Minnesota, gender identity is unrelated to sexual orientation. I include 'asexual' in sexual orientation.

A eunuch identification, whether gender-related or not, does not preclude sexual expression. Nor is sexuality limited to penile insertion or reception.

There is a lot of literature documenting that some people have very low sex drives. They can be quite happy forgoing sex and may, indeed, identify as asexual. Being asexual, or having any type of sexual expression, is, at best, not closely tied to gender identity.

Danya

kristoff wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:09 pm If he ever wants back in, all he has to do is write an apology for his behavior and put it on the boards.

Umm... wouldn't that require him to have access to the boards?

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A-1 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:26 pm Rather than to paint everybody with a desire (fantasy or real) to be sexless, or those who actually are with a broad brush, it is better to bring those folks together to discuss the subject and to discuss the issue.

Hi A-1,

This is an excellent post overall. Thank you for that. I am in complete agreement with you.

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A-1 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:26 pm What is needed is a voice of sanity, not an encouragement to do as one's fantasy distates. If a person is insistant about what they want to get done and sincere there are medical practitioners who will help. But for this to happen a medical practitoner HAS to be certain that the person requesting is NOT afflicted with a mental disorder as defined by law. Otherwise, malpractice becomes an issue.

I agree and when I notice a poster desperately seeking castration, I try very hard to dissuade them from going it alone, without medical help. Particularly if the writer is transgender, simply because they may relate to what I have to say.

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A-1 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:26 pm As our own resident expert, (Jesus), will tell you, it is not easy to get mainstream medicine to do an orchiectomy (or any other procedure) as easily as they might do a circumcision, a facelift, a breast reduction or implant or some other elective surgery that

Danya (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:44 pm society considers as "normal". They are currently

being done only for specified medical conditions.

There is hope for change. When I started the gender program at the University of Minnesota in November, 2007 I initially identified as eunuch. I told my therapist my story and said "I want to be castrated in three months". She thought this was perfectly reasonable. Over the next month or so I began to realize that my identity might not be eunuch.

The University of Minnesota has an excellent reputation in gender studies. It is at the forefront of thinking on gender identity. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health is based there. This is the renamed Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association. The U of M program has the potential of being a powerful ally to the eunuch community.

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A-1 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:26 pm It is imperative to present this place as credible for the sake of those who have no other problems except that they want to be sexless. Researching this site will reveal that it is not necessary to have surgery to be sexless, and that that state may be reached through chemical means alone.

Credibility is crucial. This site can be a resource for professionals interested in the eunuch community.

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A-1 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:26 pm Meanwhile, while the steps to become a voluntary eunuch through surgical means are slowly being established, steps that will in time allow this to happen for some sincere people, this site MUST be reasonable and not given to 'playing to' life-threatening fantasies.

-Danya's emphasis

Steps are being taken to increase awareness of the voluntary eunuch community and address its needs. This is what the published papers based on Archive surveys are all about.

It is very important that people are clear on the boundary between fantasy and reality.

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A-1 (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:26 pm Make no mistake about it, there have been individuals here who have had a surgical procedure for whatever reason, and have been left in a severe state of Depression, and have attempted to take their own life as a result.

What is discussed here IS NOT something to be taken lightly or something that will make all of your dreams come true. It is a life changing event and something that must be seriously prepared for if you are to achieve your desired outcome, whatever that may be.

This is no matter who you are and what are your reasons for needing or desiring this.

Excellent post, A-1.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:53 pm Umm... wouldn't that require him to have access to the boards?

No. This is an open forum, for example, and he could post here. He also has the ability to contact a number of members who could facilitate a request.

Also one could post as a unregistered gust can’t they