Here's my first attempt:

Dear Dr. ____________

We of the EA Eunuch community are searching for a Urologist/Plastic Surgeon to perform voluntary bilateral orchiectomy surgery. We believe that the members of our group have the right to this type of elective surgery upon request. We know that choosing this surgery may seem out of line with mainstream surgical protocols, but it will prevent unnecessary tragedies from happening. Every year hundreds of our members attempt self-castration out of frustration and a persistent nagging desire to be neutered. Failure to find a qualified surgeon will force many to pursue castration on their own. We can put you in contact with our current urologist if you so desire. He may or may not respond. Please consider our request. Your response will be appreciated.

Hash (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:14 pm Here's my first attempt:

Dear Dr. ____________

We of the EA Eunuch community are searching for a Urologist/Plastic Surgeon to perform voluntary bilateral orchiectomy surgery. We believe that the members of our group have the right to this type of elective surgery upon request. We know that choosing this surgery may seem out of line with mainstream surgical protocols, but it will prevent unnecessary tragedies from happening. Every year hundreds of our members attempt self-castration out of frustration and a persistent nagging desire to be neutered. Failure to find a qualified surgeon will force many to pursue castration on their own. We can put you in contact with our current urologist if you so desire. He may or may not respond. Please consider our request. Your response will be appreciated.

dont alienate people with this sort of thing. this is something that needs to be approached with tact and discretion that is never evident in any kind of letter like this.

Although I laud the thought I fear that I have to agree with Kristoff (again? This is becoming a bad habit).

It's entirely selfish: some years hence I might want a good, reliable surgeon myself, so I pray that this most delicate of searches is conducted with the utmost caution.

Matthew

If Dr. Kimmel is getting as bad as those here are saying he is, then anymore, is Dr. Kimmel really that much safer than a "cutter"? While Dr. Kimmel has served the eunuch community well for years and we thank him for that, every surgeon reaches a point where age forces them to retire due to lack of coordination, and it seems as if Dr. Kimmel has reached that point. If there is a serious problem then I think men seeking castration need to know and something needs to be done about Dr. Kimmel before he seriously injures or even kills someone with a botched surgery.

While finding a replacement or replacements for Dr. Kimmel is something many feel needs to be done, that search process is as others have pointed out, a delecate process. Those doing that searching need to be aware of that and watch how they approach it.

I also agree that for a number of the straight men here seeking castration, it would be great if a woman surgeon or women surgeons could be found willing to do elective orchiectomies like Dr. Kimmel does. For men like me who have a specific femdom castration fantasy/scenario/fetishes, it would be wonderful if a woman surgeon or women surgeons could be found who are willing to within reason incorporate that into the procedure, but I realize that is probably just dreaming.

My main point here is that if Dr. Kimmel is as bad as some here are saying, then he presents not a help but a dangerous situation and that needs to be noted and handled somehow.

Outside the Archive , i have had a discussion with numerous people about the need for either additional outlets for castration, or for a youinger replacement for Dr Kimmel.

I personally have no knowledge of Dr Kimmel's abilities or lack of them. I have not met him, or even talked with him, but I can assume from his advancing age, that he is certainly less capable than he was 20 years ago.

I did do a bit of research, and in all honesty, taking over his practice, or starting a new one from scratch , would be very lucrative for a young urologist.

With the avergae cost for a surgeon to do a bilateral orchiectomy in a clinical envirnment at about 2500.00 (facilityand surgical costs), doing 1000 of them a year , is a gross income of 2.5 million. Add to that voluntary penectomies or partials, and scrotal reductions, and other gential clean up procedures, and mods, and you could easily be looking at a first year gross income of 3-4 million.

A clinic located near a major airport, and hotels, would be an excellent choice. East transportation, and likely a location that is not close to other medical facilities. The watchful eye of the AMA, then would be less.

There is no law that I know of against volunatry castration or penectomy, it is just frowned on by the medical community.

A daring and entruepenurally motivated young surgeon, could do far worse than to make the investment to set up and operate a clinic for this community. For most in this forum, the sex of said surgeon is not the major issue, its finding a surgeon who is willing.

Dr Kimmel, by most reports has served this community well for a long time, and as such should be respected for his efforts. Now as his time comes to a close, an intelligent, and thoughtful search must be mounted to find, and assist a surgeon in replacing him.

Raymar

raymar2020 (imported) wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:04 am With the avergae cost for a surgeon to do a bilateral orchiectomy in a clinical envirnment at about 2500.00 (facilityand surgical costs), doing 1000 of them a year , is a gross income of 2.5 million. Add to that voluntary penectomies or partials, and scrotal reductions, and other gential clean up procedures, and mods, and you could easily be looking at a first year gross income of 3-4 million.

Well, I'm not sure surgeons generally perform 1000 surgeries per year, unless perhaps they are very sought after and work with a major hospital. There are only about 200 working days per year and the surgeon has to spend time with consultations and aftercare. So I would guess a healthy practice would average maybe two surgeries per day. So that comes out to about 400 per year, leading to gross income of about $1 million per year.

And that is gross income -- he has to pay taxes, staff costs, facility costs, and insurance.

To make good money in surgery game you have to do more expensive operations on a regular basis.

In any case, you're only going to get a second-rate surgeon going after this business.

raymar2020 (imported) wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:04 am There is no law that I know of against volunatry castration or penectomy, it is just frowned on by the medical community.

Actually, it is both illegal and also unethical according to physician ethics code. In order to be legal and ethical, amputating healthy organs from a person requires at least some agreed medical condition diagnosis (e.g. transgender) for which the standard practice needs to be the amputation.

Hey, it's just a suggestion. I am not sure how this alienates people, I'm just trying to find a solution to our dilemma. If a letter is deemed inappropriate, then what do you suggest? Hash

I think it is time to stop discussing Dr. K's past or current capabilities, or how much money can be made doing elective orchiectomies.

I also think we should encourage ideas on how to get other Dr.'s to understand that an elective Orchiectomy is very beneficial for certain individuals, and should not be regarded as unimaginable. Men are discriminated against compared to women who have the right to do all sorts of things with their bodies.

My suggestion to for everyone to call three urologists and inquire if they would perform an elective Orchiectomy. We might be surprised by the result.

i spend my spare time emailing and calling urologists across the country

1 in ten says yes

i never follow up ..because i cant

i compiled a small list

kimmel is the only one well known

the rest want to hide or get you in the office so they can bill you

Sidney,

Do you have a "canned" speech for each one? Do you start by asking the receptionist? Do you ask to speak to the Dr. first? Given that they say yes, do you ask how to follow up? Any advice on "approach"?

Smoothie