It snowed. Yes.

We have about half an inch of slush here. Just enough to make all the other idiots dangerous that think "Oh it's just wet, I can do 60 mph on the country roads." Uh huh...sure...

I'll just turn my 4wd on and drive in yards where it's safe.

It was the late seventies as I remember. I had left Milwaukee but went back for a Winter vacation.

It snowed. And Milwaukee has a protective bubble created my Lake Wisconsin ( I reject Michigan ever since I realized they occupy the northern Wisconsin peninsula).

The snow kept coming. My friend is about 5' tall and the sidewalk snow was shoveled into berms higher then her height.

And you guys call a few inches a blizzard? ?

A little slush.

I want to read of your freezing rain. Your ice storms. Snow so sudden you have a white out.

Just so I can be more satisfied with my California winter.

Even our Russkies and our have not revealed any "snowed in" weather events this year.

Moi

It's the 21st Century.

It is all about Moi

NO Not Toi, MOI !

Paolo wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:33 pm We have about half an inch of slush here. Just enough to make all the other idiots dangerous that think "Oh it's just wet, I can do 60 mph on the country roads." Uh huh...sure...

I'll just turn my 4wd on and drive in yards where it's safe.

Sure they can drive 60 mph but they can't stop...

That's the hard part of winter -- stopping.

It's called "Bump and Crunch"

Dave (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:14 pm Sure they can drive 60 mph but they can't stop...

That's the hard part of winter -- stopping.

It's called "Bump and Crunch"

It is such occasions I appreciate my Big Bad 4WD 1995 Ford Expedition.

Those ABS breaks are great. Lots of mass and Goodrich all weather tires keep me grounded. At least 3 of 4 wheels because you can "feel" the automatic corrections in play.

My concern is for those who have featherweight vehicles that skid more easily and although they absorb crunch trying to spare the passenger space, and have lots and lots of air bags -

it must be like being inside a well padded hockey puck when an incident occurs. Not healthy.

Organ Whip Lash in the elderly kills, ref. Steve Allan. Lots and lots of internal bleeding sites.

Not massive, more like the death of a thousand cuts. But, inside.

I do not trust SmartCars or other featherweight vehicles. May as well be on a motorcycle.

Moi

My Ford Expedition

BTW Ford screwed the Explorer putting it on an automobile wheelbase because the Ranger is no longer made. And also - so much obstructing interior molding all around; the space in compromised.

I hope someone redesigns, "The Box" expected of an SUV as it should be. Okay, don't buy it. I will. And convert it to Natural Gas via a kit Ford sells.

You know what I think is the difference between Regular and ABS brakes

With REgular brakes you skid sideways in the rear end of the vehicle in front of you while on slushy and icy streets.

With ABS brakes you skid front-end on into the rear end of the vehicle in front of you while on slushy and icy streets

Regardless -- going to fast on ice and snow - CRASH!

Agree, in a featherweight vehicle.



NBC News is yelling about the calamity in Chicago where they have received eight inches of snow. Unseen since the Blizzard of 2011.

Eight Inches. Really?

Oh the hype, the hype.

What words will then use to report a "real" snow event now that they have abused the existing vocabulary?

Dave (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:02 pm You know what I think is the difference between Regular and ABS brakes

With REgular brakes you skid sideways in the rear end of the vehicle in front of you while on slushy and icy streets.

With ABS brakes you skid front-end on into the rear end of the vehicle in front of you while on slushy and icy streets

Regardless -- going to fast on ice and snow - CRASH!

You can go rather fast on show/ice, but everyone needs to keep distance. And that is "impossible". "What? I have ABS, why can not I drive just like in summer?"

So, here with first snowfall, or any other rapid weather change starts a "tinman's day".

I have already posted this picture, but I'll repeat: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fhunter200 ... hotostream

This a traffic jam map from 30-th of November 2012. The small circles with letters show traffic accidents.

The map status was

moi621 (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:17 pm showing: traffic jams 10/10, walking would be faster.

What words will then use to report a "real" snow even

t now that they have abused the existing vocabulary? Was snowmageddon already used?

fhunter wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:37 am You can go rather fast on show/ice, but everyone needs to keep distance. And that is "impossible". "What? I have ABS, why can not I drive just like in summer?"

So, here with first snowfall, or any other rapid weather change starts a "tinman's day".

I have already posted this picture, but I'll repeat: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fhunter200 ... hotostream

This a traffic jam map from 30-th of November 2012. The small circles with letters show traffic accidents.

The map status was

showing: traffic jams 10/10, walking would be faster.

Was snowmageddon already used?

Wouldn't a good old Sovietsky car make it, if you could get it started.

You guys drive these featherweight, no steel necessary Korean cars, not designed for bad weather.

ABS, Front Wheel vs All Wheel doesn't matter when you don't have the "mass" to maintain traction.

I have driven my big bad 1995 4WD Ford Expedition with 11 actual MPG cross country many times.

The only thing slowing my safe progress was 18 wheelers and "feather weights".

When I have a vehicle for over a year, I begin to imagine in as an extension of myself and know exactly what I can, and cannot do with it. I can "feel" corners in tight parking spaces. If any driver knows what I mean. My 1995 Expedition is just outstanding in this quality. We connect.

I do not believe in feather weight SUV's. I believe is "mass", SUV's for personal safety.

G'luck

moi621 (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:31 am Wouldn't a good old Sovietsky car make it, if you could get it started.

You guys drive these featherweight, no steel necessary Korean cars, not designed for bad weather.

ABS, Front Wheel vs All Wheel doesn't matter when you don't have the "mass" to maintain traction.

I have driven my big bad 1995 4WD Ford Expedition with 11 actual MPG cross country many times.

The only thing slowing my safe progress was 18 wheelers and "feather weights".

When I have a vehicle for over a year, I begin to imagine in as an extension of myself and know exactly what I can, and cannot do with it. I can "feel" corners in tight parking spaces. If any driver knows what I mean. My 1995 Expedition is just outstanding in this quality. We connect.

I do not believe in feather weight SUV's. I believe is "mass", SUV's for personal safety.

G'luck

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Moi, regarding old soviet cars, I would not be so sure.

Most of the soviet "classics" from 70-80s were rather lightweight, weighting about 1 ton. The one family that was much heavier was Gaz-21/Gaz-24. But, the later one was nicknamed "barge" for similar turn radius, weight, and bad manoeuvrability.

Add here, that all the "classics" had a rear wheel drive... You can drive it on snow, and do it well... but it requires considerable skill (oh, there is no power steering, no ABS, so on):

moi621 (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:09 pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

QjKD6xF_JHU

The good thing about them was, that those cars had softer suspension and thus were better on bad roads, than modern ones.

PS. As for safety... well, lets not touch this topic...

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