mellytoninn (imported) wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 10:24 am hey guys, I've been thinking about injecting 60% NaCl 40% ethyl alcohol. I've read about hypertonic saline injections and it seems to work. However, I can't get my testicle removed due to not having surgeons here down to do it. (fyi I lost the other one in an accident) Do you guys think it's a good idea?

As a general rule, unless you are a medical professional w/ appropriate training, injecting ANYTHING is not a "good idea" - but looking at your profile location and knowing what I hear on the news (probably not all that accurate, but all I have....) I can understand how surgery might not be easy to get...

From what I've heard / read here, all of the various options for injections seem to have mixed results, with some having success, others not, and (the biggest concern) some having bad complications. Since all we know is what people say they did, which might or might not be accurate, it is impossible to tell whether the unpredictability is due to the chemicals used, or the methods used....

Also worth noting is that none of the injection methods will get rid of the testicle, at best they will end up shrinking it a lot. What a lot of folks did was use the damage caused by the injections to get a surgeon to remove the 'abnormal' balls... Which sort of brings you back to the question of finding a surgeon in your country.

However it does seem that the hypertonic saline approach is arguably safer than some of the other methods as it has less of a problem with damage caused by any leakage from the testicle into the scrotum or surrounding tissues. It MAY be less effective than CaCl, but should work if done properly.

If you do decide to go for it, I'd suggest the following -

1. DO NOT inject any alcohol you wouldn't drink, or other things you wouldn't be safe to eat.

2. Be careful to use proper sterile techniques / equipment - you don't want to give yourself an infection!

3. Carefully study the reports of those that were successful (and those that weren't) and make notes of what worked well, and attempt to follow those steps... If you can find any scientific studies that are relevant, pay special attention to them, especially things like dosages ant techniques.

Good luck, and keep us posted...

WheelyFixed

WheelyFixed wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 11:11 am As a general rule, unless you are a medical professional w/ appropriate training, injecting ANYTHING is not a "good idea" - but looking at your profile location and knowing what I hear on the news (probably not all that accurate, but all I have....) I can understand how surgery might not be easy to get...

From what I've heard / read here, all of the various options for injections seem to have mixed results, with some having success, others not, and (the biggest concern) some having bad complications. Since all we know is what people say they did, which might or might not be accurate, it is impossible to tell whether the unpredictability is due to the chemicals used, or the methods used....

Also worth noting is that none of the injection methods will get rid of the testicle, at best they will end up shrinking it a lot. What a lot of folks did was use the damage caused by the injections to get a surgeon to remove the 'abnormal' balls... Which sort of brings you back to the question of finding a surgeon in your country.

However it does seem that the hypertonic saline approach is arguably safer than some of the other methods as it has less of a problem with damage caused by any leakage from the testicle into the scrotum or surrounding tissues. It MAY be less effective than CaCl, but should work if done properly.

If you do decide to go for it, I'd suggest the following -

1. DO NOT inject any alcohol you wouldn't drink, or other things you wouldn't be safe to eat.

2. Be careful to use proper sterile techniques / equipment - you don't want to give yourself an infection!

3. Carefully study the reports of those that were successful (and those that weren't) and make notes of what worked well, and attempt to follow those steps... If you can find any scientific studies that are relevant, pay special attention to them, especially things like dosages ant techniques.

Good luck, and keep us posted...

WheelyFixed

Yeah it's kind of impossible to get a surgeon to just get them out for you because you feel like it. Anyhow, I'll make sure to follow proper technique especially when it comes to sterilization and I'll make sure to keep you guys up to date when I do end up doing it. Thanks a lot for the kind reply!

Have you looked to see if there are any "Transgender Clinics" or centers in your area? Given my (very limited) understanding of the religious culture in your country I don't know if they exist or not. There is the fairly released WPATH SOC v.8 which provides a route to get it done in the new "Eunuch Chapter" but that assumes that there is a center to follow the standard... Several folks have also done "medical tourism" to other more accommodating countries, but I've heard that travel for you can be difficult...

WheelyFixed

WheelyFixed wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 5:48 pm Have you looked to see if there are any "Transgender Clinics" or centers in your area? Given my (very limited) understanding of the religious culture in your country I don't know if they exist or not. There is the fairly released WPATH SOC v.8 which provides a route to get it done in the new "Eunuch Chapter" but that assumes that there is a center to follow the standard... Several folks have also done "medical tourism" to other more accommodating countries, but I've heard that travel for you can be difficult...

WheelyFixed

There aren't any transgender clinics unfortunately. The country's pretty backwards when it comes to mental health generally. I'm definitely saving up to go to mexico to have it cut.however, for the time being I've only got injections. I got all the ingredients today and dissolved the NaCl in alcohol and after my calculations it's only 11% salt the rest is alcohol. From what I've got from reading this thread is that you need at least 20 - 25% cacl for castration to really occur and that's about 0.8 grams in 3 cc of liquid. The thing is I'd have to inject 3 separate 3cc injections to achieve 0.9 grams of salt inside. If I'm wrong could anyone correct me, I'd really appreciate it. Other than that I might just try hypertonic saline on top of a single injection.

I am NOT a medical expert, so definitely don't take my word for it, but my understanding is that if using NaCl then the way it works is that it draws the water in the cells out of them due to osmosis trying to dilute the salt solution down to 'normal' body concentrations. If the solution is strong enough it pulls out so much water out that the cells can't maintain their metabolism and die... If the solution isn't strong enough, the cells won't be happy but they will recover... Remember that NaCl is a normal part of your body metabolism so is not immediately harmful at low levels. This is basically why NaCl is slightly safer on the theory that if it ends up in the wrong place, it will probably be in small enough quantity to be absorbed w/o much harm.

Alcohol by itself has a certain level of toxicity, and there is a long thread about people using just ethanol to kill their testicles, again with mixed results.

On the other hand, CaCl is toxic to some degree, but again the concentration matters.

I just did a bit of a Startpage search, and the papers on using hypertonic saline in calves and rats were using a water based solution, not alcohol... I don't know if water and alcohol have the same ability to dissolve NaCl....

Looking for recipes - it seems to depend on the units for 20%, but they said 20% m/V used 20g or for m/m used 22.9g per 100ml of solution - weigh out the NaCl, and mix w/ water to make a final volume of 100ml... Far more than you'd need, but starting w/ the larger volume makes the measurement precision less critical...

WheelyFixed

I've done my first injection earlier today, it wasn't hypertonic saline but it was 70% ethanol, 10% NaCl and 20% water. I did 3ml and it didn't hurt at all. Just felt the build up of fluid inside my testicle which didn't hurt much, id say it's a 1/10 on the pain scale. As for my testicle (yes I only have one) it looks deformed and it hurts to the touch so it might be working. Next injection I'll do 50% saline and see how that goes. I'll make sure to keep you guys updated on my progress.

It's been about two weeks or a bit less since my last Injection, I just injected 45% hypertonic saline into my testicle. As per usual It didn't hurt much given I injected a bit of lidocaine beforehand. I'd say the pain is 3/10, I can't wait to see what will happen... according to chatgpt (yes I unironically asked chatgpt given there isn't much info around on hypertonic saline injections) is that the pain will be much more than the alcohol injections and it'll cause necrosis in the leydig cells. anyhow, It's a bit dangerous and it wouldn't be my first recommendation to anyone but someone had to tread this path. I hope it goes well, as per usual ill keep you guys updated on what happens!

We will be interested to see your results....

I am not sure how much faith I'd put in Chatgpt - Remember that AI can also stand for "Artificial Idiot".... Given the lack of much information, one wonders what it could use for "training data" to make any comments on the subject.

WheelyFixed

Figured I'd join the crowd here. Injected the right side with 2/1 ratio of 30%CACL/190 proof alcohol about a month ago. Pain was 9/10, swelling was the size of a baseball. Has since returned to normal size. Testicle feels different but can't put my finger on how exactly. I injected the left side yesterday, pain is 3/10, swelling is there but not as bad as the right side by far. I used 1cc per side. Will update with how this progresses.

Could a urologist be able to tell if you had used CaCl? I didn't think they would be able to tell, but someone I was just chatting to insisted they can, and recommended just using everclear