Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration

[RemMellow (imported)]

It may not be the most appropriate thread to ask, but what is testosterone threshold for castrate levels in ng/dl? Thanks in advance.

[Cseriess (imported)]

50 used to be 50, but i think as testing and drugs got better, 25 is the mark now.

[RemMellow (imported)]

I'm going to inject tomorrow, but there's one think that worries me. Guides say that we should "inject until feeling fullness". It's hard for me to measure testicles, but since I have 198 testosterone, my testicles probably don't require much. But I'm planning to take 1.5 ml in syringes and "inject until feeling fullness". But the issue is, how do I know that I feel full?

UPD: on the other hand, I think maybe I should inject 1 ml now, but if my testosterone after 3 months will be higher than some threshold (70 for example), inject some more. Would that be better than trying to feel fullness?

[MadScience (imported)]

50 used to be 50, but i think as testing and drugs got better, 25 is the mark now.

The castrate standard now is 20ng/dL (to account for renal production), though 50ng may be considered sufficient for chemical, in terms of hormone ablation therapy for prostate cancer. Standard test for high measurement accuracy is the Liquid Chromatography with tandem Mass Spectrometry (LC-MS-MS). Spit tests are worthless.

MadScience

[MadScience (imported)]

I'm going to inject tomorrow, but there's one think that worries me. Guides say that we should "inject until feeling fullness". It's hard for me to measure testicles, but since I have 198 testosterone, my testicles probably don't require much. But I'm planning to take 1.5 ml in syringes and "inject until feeling fullness". But the issue is, how do I know that I feel full?

UPD: on the other hand, I think maybe I should inject 1 ml now, but if my testosterone after 3 months will be higher than some threshold (70 for example), inject some more. Would that be better than trying to feel fullness?

I don't know that it's advisable to attempt that standard for a person. If you have never injected alcohol or a CaCl solution before then 1.5mL is a good rough guideline, though it seems more important than ever to get a longer needle (line it up alongside the testicle for estimate), that can push in to just past the center, maybe 2/3", and VERY slowly releasing on withdrawal, so more of the solution goes deeper and is fully dispensed well before the needle reaches the surface.

If you have injected alcohol or CaCl before, you're in dangerous waters. Though I've seen plenty of people get away with it - barely - reinjection is the biggest possible opportunity for complication. It's important to note that:

- CaCl solution is expected to take 2-4 months. Patience is essential to this method.

- Nothing can undo it once the injection has begun - you can't 'un-salt' meat. So again, just be patient.

- CaCl pickles the ball whereever the liquid reaches because the very high salt concentration pulls the liquid out of the wet cells inside the ball so hard, the osmotic pressure literally rips them open - which causes necrosis, which creates a rock of scar tissue in the center, and the rest generally die off at a low enough level that the body just absorbs. The capsule is dry, tendon-like tissue which isn't harmed unless the solution starts reaching near 50%.

- CaCl disables repair processes inside the testicle, not just for the damage it has done (which is catastrophic), but even for ordinary cell turnover and replacement, because the chemical reactions can't work with salt concentrations that high. Again, if the initial solution and volume was right, just WAIT and it will do the job.

I hope this sheds some light on the mechanics.

MadScience

[RemMellow (imported)]

I don't know that it's advisable to attempt that standard for a person. If you have never injected alcohol or a CaCl solution before then 1.5mL is a good rough guideline, though it seems more important than ever to get a longer needle (line it up alongside the testicle for estimate), that can push in to just past the center, maybe 2/3", and VERY slowly releasing on withdrawal, so more of the solution goes deeper and is fully dispensed well before the needle reaches the surface.

If you have injected alcohol or CaCl before, you're in dangerous waters. Though I've seen plenty of people get away with it - barely - reinjection is the biggest possible opportunity for complication. It's important to note that:

- CaCl solution is expected to take 2-4 months. Patience is essential to this method.

- Nothing can undo it once the injection has begun - you can't 'un-salt' meat. So again, just be patient.

- CaCl pickles the ball whereever the liquid reaches because the very high salt concentration pulls the liquid out of the wet cells inside the ball so hard, the osmotic pressure literally rips them open - which causes necrosis, which creates a rock of scar tissue in the center, and the rest generally die off at a low enough level that the body just absorbs. The capsule is dry, tendon-like tissue which isn't harmed unless the solution starts reaching near 50%.

- CaCl disables repair processes inside the testicle, not just for the damage it has done (which is catastrophic), but even for ordinary cell turnover and replacement, because the chemical reactions can't work with salt concentrations that high. Again, if the initial solution and volume was right, just WAIT and it will do the job.

I hope this sheds some light on the mechanics.

MadScience

Thanks, MadScience. I've already read this entire thread, and your earlier messages were really helpful. I haven't injected anything yet. In the next few hours I'll inject 33% CaCl. I have 77% CaCl food grade in flakes and 90% ethanol. If I calculated correctly, I need to mix 15 mg of CaCl and 10 ml of ethanol to get 33% solution. I'm not entirely sure what amount I will inject. I'll probably fill syringes to 1.5 ml and inject until feel that it's enough. Maybe 1 ml, maybe 1.2, maybe 1.4.

[RemMellow (imported)]

I was making solution, but something might turned out wrong. Since I had CaCl in big flakes, it was hard to get 15 mg visually. I added more than that, and then mixed it with 20 ml of ethanol. I stirred, but it hardly mixed at all. Since I had 30 ml of substance in container, I added a bit more CaCl flakes. I continued to stir. I stirred for more than two hours and got white solution with density similar to thick sperm. Nobody in this thread said anything about neither density of solution, nor time needed to stir it. Although I stirred for two hours, there are still considerable amount of undissolved flakes. I could inject this, but I'm not sure whether this is actually a valid solution. Should it be injected?

[RemMellow (imported)]

I tried to fill this solution into already-used syringe, but it didn't work, I was unable to get even 0.1 ml there.

Yes, my mistake was the fact that I didn't turn big flakes into powder. It's much easier to get right amounts of substance when it's powdered. And it also easier to mix powder and liquid. But even with that, how long should I normally stir solution? And how should it look like?

And also, how should I threat 77 CaCl? Should I calculate solution based on the entire substance? In that case I'll use 1 mg of CaCl and 2 ml of ethahol? Or should I calculate in based only on CaCl itself? Then I should use 1.5 mg of CaCl and 2 ml of ethanol.

[northeastmale (imported)]

Just wondering, would a solution of household cooking salt work?

[kristoff]

Just wondering, would a solution of household cooking salt work?

No, it would not. It has been tried.