So I did once more yesterday after 3 days gap and it wasn't that bad. A drop of blood came out from the right testicle, but nothing major. But I must say that the resistance to inject is increasing.

An interesting thing to note, this time I had 1ml syringes only and I wanted to go for 3ml in each, so I thought I'll inject multiple times. The first went well, then I took another one and pointed the needle to about 1cm off the previous location and immediately after I pushed the liquid in, a 20cm long white clear liquid squirt appeared from the previous location. That was a surprise and I immediately stopped and so I ended up with 1ml in each instead. This explains to me that the blood is not coming from the testicle itself, but rather some tissue.

As for increased pain, pushing the needle does feel painful, but that is probably because of thicker skin and rock solid testicles. I can literally feel and hear how the needle penetrates the layers until it reaches the destination.

I will stick now with 1ml and maintain at least 5 days interval.

The resistance is probably because there is little or no room inside the covering of the testicle for more liquid. Both the injected liquid and the resultant swelling will reduce the ability of the testicle to hold more fluid. You must wait more time between injections. --FLO--

It has been exactly a week now since last injection and I must say I feel like nothing has happened during those 2 months. I feel fully recovered and my T is at the level to continue drive me nuts. In total I used about 100-150g of 88% vodka. Quite disappointing I'd say, or would you call it normal? I won't be able to access my kit for another 1 week, but after that I'll continue again.

TheThingy (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:01 am It has been exactly a week now since last injection and I must say I feel like nothing has happened during those 2 months. I feel fully recovered and my T is at the level to continue drive me nuts. In total I used about 100-150g of 88% vodka. Quite disappointing I'd say, or would you call it normal? I won't be able to access my kit for another 1 week, but after that I'll continue again.

This is why I reopened the investigation into calcium chloride injection -- alcohol injection is just not a very effective or sure way to go -- first of all your body can actually tolerate alcohol pretty well, and secondly bodies are great at healing. Unfortunately calcium chloride is more painful, so is hard for me to fully recommend, although I think that the pain overall is still less than the cumulative pain of mulitple injections of alcohol and also the pain is less than for surgical recovery.

But anyway, I really think that the alcohol method has been pretty much debunked. In fact, I think it is really just a play injection -- it certainly can be exciting to do, and there is a certain satisfaction at the possibility of damage. But for those seeking a permanent actual castration, I'm not convinced many achieve it this way.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:23 pm But anyway, I really think that the alcohol method has been pretty much debunked. In fact, I think it is really just a play injection -- it certainly can be exciting to do, and there is a certain satisfaction at the possibility of damage. But for those seeking a permanent actual castration, I'm not convinced many achieve it this way.

It worked for me, as it did for a number of others on this site who tried this method. The injections create masses and lesions inside the testicles and most urologists will recommend their removal on the chance that they are cancerous.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:23 pm This is why I reopened the investigation into calcium chloride injection -- alcohol injection is just not a very effective or sure way to go -- first of all your body can actually tolerate alcohol pretty well, and secondly bodies are great at healing. Unfortunately calcium chloride is more painful, so is hard for me to fully recommend, although I think that the pain overall is still less than the cumulative pain of mulitple injections of alcohol and also the pain is less than for surgical recovery.

But anyway, I really think that the alcohol method has been pretty much debunked. In fact, I think it is really just a play injection -- it certainly can be exciting to do, and there is a certain satisfaction at the possibility of damage. But for those seeking a permanent actual castration, I'm not convinced many achieve it this way.

Reading this whole thread, for anyone brave enough to start now, there is clear evidence that a good many people have been able to use alcohol injections, without major incidents to destroy the testicles enough for the them to ultimately have them removed by concerned doctors.

For me this is my goal. To get to the point that doctors will remove them.

I have only done 8 injections in each testicle of 1ml of 96.5% Polish Vodka (they do actually drink the stuff!) For me, they appear to be very effective and judging by the last injection yesterday, seem to be getting less painful and swollen. I 'think' I am nearing castrate levels, because of the symptoms of hot flushes etc that I have had. This maybe obfuscated by the fact that I am taking injectable estrogen now 10mg twice a week.

The estrogen may also be partly responsible for the penile shrinkage and my testicles shrinking by 20-30%.

Interestingly, this morning, I examined my testicles and I am surprised that after yesterdays injection to the right it is not swollen and there is only a very slight tenderness. It is much smaller than before.

Amazingly, the left testicle with which I have suffered significant pain, 20 days in hospital as a result of an epyidimal causing a prostatic abscess, is also significantly smaller. The cyst is completely gone and I can feel the deflated tissue. I have definitely not pierced it. I think te good old Polish vodka may have cured me. Something doctors have not been able to do since they caused the cyst with a badly done hernis repair in 2004!

The dull constant ache that I have carried in the left for years seems to be gone.

At this point I do not know the effectiveness of what I am doing. However, it appears to be working, is relatively easy and safe. I am keeping a log, published in my profile as much as for my benefit, so that I can look back easily.

As for Calcium Chloride, which I follow, it is early days. What started out as a single injection panacea has become at least 2 because the pioneers are now recovering and having to do more very painful injections albeit less often.

It is very early days to claim Calcium Chloride is the miracle cure. I applaud the brave people trying it out.

One thing that is clear from both methods. Testicles are resilient m*****f*****s!

They have been designed to protect the human race by procreation and do their very best to survive to that end as we all know so well

My own view is that we are all different and if we embark on either of these methods we should do so by reading all the posts, due consideration, caution and above all take great care.

Keeping a log is a really good idea too.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:23 pm But anyway, I really think that the alcohol method has been pretty much debunked. In fact, I think it is really just a play injection -- it certainly can be exciting to do, and there is a certain satisfaction at the possibility of damage. But for those seeking a permanent actual castration, I'm not convinced many achieve it this way.

I have to totally disagree with you, I have done alcohol injections on a regular basis every two to three days for the past seven months, at first I used 80 proof vodka with no changes but switched to 96 proof when I could find it on the internet here. The changes were almost instant and with no going back, certainly not to be used for sex play unless you are serious about destroying your testicles. I am currently undergoing medical treatment so cant say too much at this stage as it has all gotten very complicated certainly not as easy as just going along and them whipping them out. I do know from the two cat scans and now three ultra sounds that both testicles are shot and will be dealt with when the other problem I didn't know I had which is why it is now so complicated, but came to light on the cat scan has been dealt with first as it is more urgent, nothing to do with the injections. I have been told from the urologist that I will more than likely loose one testicle and they will keep an eye on the other, so to say alcohol doesn't work isn't correct in my case, unless it one hell of a coincidence but not something I can ask him for obvious reasons. The only thing I would change is to do one testicle at a time, it is very rare to get problems in both at the same time even with cancer and that might arouse suspicions, for me the other problem they discovered has ruled out any suspicions.

Wat actually happens if aicohol is injected into testicles? What starts to kill cells inside the testicle? Is it dehydration of cell? Or anything else? What happens around blood vessels? What type of cells are more resilient to alcohol? So these are the questions and there could be more questions I am not able to form.

If we know answers to these questions we can evaluate effectivness of alcohol injections and may be make them more effective. Mey be we should wait longer between injections or may be should inject a lot more initially, may be swelling must be kept up... Can anyone answer?

ukdesexed (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:43 am I have to totally disagree with you, I have done alcohol injections on a regular basis every two to three days for the past seven months, at first I used 80 proof vodka with no changes but switched to 96 proof when I could find it on the internet here. The changes were almost instant and with no going back, certainly not to be used for sex play unless you are serious about destroying your testicles. I am currently undergoing medical treatment so cant say too much at this stage as it has all gotten very complicated certainly not as easy as just going along and them whipping them out. I do know from the two cat scans and now three ultra sounds that both testicles are shot and will be dealt with when the other problem I didn't know I had which is why it is now so complicated, but came to light on the cat scan has been dealt with first as it is more urgent, nothing to do with the injections. I have been told from the urologist that I will more than likely loose one testicle and they will keep an eye on the other, so to say alcohol doesn't work isn't correct in my case, unless it one hell of a coincidence but not something I can ask him for obvious reasons. The only thing I would change is to do one testicle at a time, it is very rare to get problems in both at the same time even with cancer and that might arouse suspicions, for me the other problem they discovered has ruled out any suspicions.

You actually proved my point. First of all, you had to do this every few days for seven months! By my calculation that is 21 injection cycles! How can you call that effective?

Most people who have achieved castration by alcohol have done it by eventually getting a doctor concerned and then having them removed, which is fine, but that is different than having the alcohol itself definitively work to castrate.

Alcohol will do damage over time, but it is really slow and uncertain. I'd argue that almost anything injected 20+ times into the testicles will cause weird damage. In fact there are studies where things like glycerin are injected and also cause castration.

Also, part of my point is recovery (i.e. that your body will repair damage from alcohol) -- if you stopped injecting after a couple injections, would the results be permanent? I don't think it is -- most people report that they have to continue the regular injections.

I'm just saying that if a method requires injections every few days, with uncertain results, with results that reverse over time, I don't see how that compares to something that takes at most two injections, demonstrably effective, and permanent.

I personally think that some of the people doing the long term alcohol injections are actually sort of addicted to the injection act itself (which I admit is exciting), because I can't think of any other reason that someone would go through the pain and hassle of injecting every few days for months on end.

With alcohol, I agree that if your goal is to cause enough damage to try to get a doctor to surgically castrate, which seems to be the path you're on, then it will probably work for that. Go ahead. But alcohol simply is not really effective for castration on its own. To me effective would mean: certain, complete, permanent, quick.

I looked into both methods, alcohol versus calcium and came to the conclusion there wasn't enough information on the calcium and not enough had tried it when I started injecting last December, and what I have read since from others using this method it has not convinced me that calcium is the way to go, they are now saying they need to do more injections rather than just two and have experienced a lot of pain which doesn't seem quick or certain , I also have an aversion to pain and the alcohol is really quite pain free at least for me. I am also not a chemist and didn't fancy the home mixing of ingredients, alcohol seemed safe to me. I would admit at the beginning I made the mistake of using Smirnoff which seemed to have little or no effect so a lot of wasted injections, however the 96 proof had immediate effect. My ultimate goal is to castrated completely hence the number of injections I did , I had been on androcur for over a year before doing alcohol so it was very hard at first to know if there was an effect or not, I did eventually come off the androcur with no increase in my sex drive so probably could have stopped with the injections much sooner if I would have been happy to have no sex drive and them still there, I am still off androcur and have experienced no increase and since being under medical care have stopped all injections and again have experienced no increase in libido. You are right the injections do become addictive only to the point that I wanted to do the utmost damage I could to have them removed, while others may be happy with them still there I am not and have experienced that on the androcur. I think for alcohol regular injections do have to be used and to stick with it, for me the other option was going to a cutter, not safe, and this method seems to have been much safer regardless of the amount of injections needed. I think we will have to agree to disagree,

ukdesexed (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:15 am we are all different and have different

goals, you seem to be more interested in the science of it, for me it is the end result, seven months is not a long time to achieve this goal of mine and seems quick to me and alcohol has worked for me and I certainly wasn't counting or bothered by the amount of injections I had to do to be at the stage I now am and I had no doubt a Doctor had to get involved to finish the job just as I would expect it if I had used calcium.