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Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:35 pm
by Slammr (imported)
Paolo wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:47 pm I have to agree, if you're annoyed, don't read it.

While you're at it, kiss my ass.

Thank you very much.

And I thought I was perhaps too blunt. :) But, I feel the same. I wonder if this person has ever posted any feedback for a story he's read. I don't remember seeing any. You'd think the authors and the moderators were getting paid for providing him with his entertainment. Well...we're not. Wonder why, now, we're so touchy about such criticism?

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:44 pm
by talula
Maybe if you stopped masturbating so much you would have more time? hahahahhahahhahhah

I know. Shut up. Get back to work....

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:47 pm
by wannabe (imported)
never noticed this threat till recently

but my opinion for what its worth on the story archive is that it just needs to be not so easy to access ( like password protected as it is now )

apart from that i have views on things like i dont agree with things to do with minors.... but i dont agree with censorship, at the end of the day when you start censoring when do you stop

so i agree that censoring should be avoided because censoring is only ever based on one peoples opinion of whether they like it or not, not law, law says you cant actually do these things, but freedom of speech gives everyone the right to

write of speak about it and im a firm believe in freedom of speech.

so at the end of the day if i know there is a story that im not going to like which involves minors (because all of the stories give a brief description of what they're about) then i simply just don't read it :-/

whats so difficult about that? surely everyone here are adult human beings, surely we don't need to be baby sitted by bureaucratic bullshit saying what we all can and cannot do, surely we can make up our own minds.

and looking back at posts i see a few other people have said the same, simply if you dont like it dont read it and then kiss my ass after kissing paolos :-D ..... in fact everyone at EA will line up and you can kiss all our asses :-P

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:59 pm
by Paolo
We're trying very hard to make sure we hit the "MINOR" tag in editing now, and we've always tried to make sure we had it when it was needed. Yes, some mistakes have been made in the past.

Hopefully, now, when you see the "MINOR" tag you'll know that "our hero" in the story is a minor, and not that author just said something like:

"And the paper boy threw my evening news on the roof again. I hate that little bastard!"

-And that's the only minor IN the bloomin' story!

(Yes, I've had email saying that the story needed the "MINOR" tag...sigh...)

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:00 pm
by Paolo
talula wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:44 pm Maybe if you stopped masturbating so much you would have more time? hahahahhahahhahhah

I know. Shut up. Get back to work....

Yeah, get back to work!

hehe

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Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:16 pm
by janekane (imported)
Okay... Okay? Perhaps not quite...
janekane (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:36 am It is my nearly lifelong observation that
a critical event in the socialization of people tends to happen at around 18 months of age, at least for people who are perhaps less autism-sufficient than I am.

Oops. Well, if people not deemed autistic can label autistic people (of whom I am one such) as having a mental disorder, why cannot autistic people (of whom I am one such), with autistic humor, label those who label autistic people as having a mental disorder? Or, is turn-about not fair play?

I observe that the salient social issues which result in shame, in taboos, in forbidden questions, tend to arise and take much of their lifelong form and function during the age range labeled "minor." Thus, for me, absent stories including minors, there is nothing much to say or write worth saying or writing about the most problematic of contemporary social issues.

As I have previously indicated, I never did the infant-child transition; I never internalized the critical lesson(s) of that transition because I found those lessons to be of what I had learned to regard as deception. I have consistently experienced deception as something I would wisely avoid to the limit of my practicable ability.

I find it deceptive to believe that a child can safely be taught that the child was disobedient or defiant because the child was told to do (or not do) something, and did not do it (or did it), and in not doing (or doing) it, was defiant and/or disobedient and earned effectively coercive puni
janekane (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:24 pm shment for defiance/disobedience.
One layer down in many of the Archive Fiction Stories that I have so far read (a tiny fraction of the total), I find a childhood-age sense of personality destruction at the behest of the established structure of society. I am profoundly reminded of Hans Christian Andersen's "The Emperor's New Suit."

Is my view in any way realistic, pragmatic, or practicable? My wife and I have a daughter, now an adult, who found good employment following college, of whom high school teachers at high school parent-child-teacher conferences made comments like, "if every child was like (our daughter), teaching would be the most wonderful job in the world." Not once, not ever, not for the slightest moment, did I ever observe my wife's and my daughter being defiant, disobedient, or deceptive. Never.

That said, there is artistic license, just as there is autistic license. There was a story that came to my attention some years ago.

A pillar-of-the-community Bahstun (Boston is the usual spelling, but I am, in the Samuel Clemens (or Mark Twain (computer programmers are often comfortable with nested parentheses)) manner using a form of phonetic spelling) matron called her closest also-pillar-of-the-community friend.

"Hello."

"Hello."

"My son's school just called and told me that my son is ahtistic."

"Oh! That's wonderful!"

"No! You don't undahstand. He is ahtistic, not ahtistic."

A long pause...

"Oh, no! I am so sorry."

Ahtistic license may allow for a great many speling varyaashuns, ahl of which may be ways of righting in a relavent dialekt.

Of curse, typegrafikal erroars happen.

There is work being done, there is work that has been done, and there is work yet to be done.

Me muddah were an Ehnglesh teechur, who teacheded me to spehl write. As I is here dun shone.

One artistic license construct allows artistic writing of stories including minors using spelling characteristic of minors who haven't fully mastered the vagaries of English spelling.

Let whosoever has never, never made even a trace of a hint of a wisp of an iota of a mistake be the one who calles my mistakes to my attenshun.

Ought for ought's sake. (Bahstun accent?)

Given my druthers, I have a proclivity to prefer mercy more than judgmentalismisticalityishness.

I have offered to help get stories back online. I will forgive myself for the mistakes I make in doing that, assuming I am mentally competent enough to do the work satisfactorily. I am a real fan of forgiveness, especially when people make a terrific effort, such as I observed being made at the MoM.

You would like more of the stories back? Endorsing those who are making the effort to get them back just might be a really wise and effective approach.

Or, I made friends at the MoM. Please do not hurt my friends.

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:01 pm
by boingboing (imported)
I haven't posted feedback because I never understood the process of how posting feedback on a story might lead to corrections/improvements. I am not volunteering to edit all stories as they come in, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy to edit a few dozen from time to time. I am certainly not expecting the site moderators to take on this responsibility--rather, I was hoping perhaps there might be a way, sometime after the current flurry of work is over, to set up a system for collaborative review/editing. If this already exists, then I just have no clue and I apologize for my ignorance.

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:19 pm
by bitten (imported)
boingboing (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:01 pm I haven't posted feedback because I never understood the process of how posting feedback on a story might lead to corrections/improvements. I am not volunteering to edit all stories as they come in, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy to edit a few dozen from time to time. I am certainly not expecting the site moderators to take on this responsibility--rather, I was hoping perhaps there might be a way, sometime after the current flurry of work is over, to set up a system for collaborative review/editing. If this already exists, then I just have no clue and I apologize for my ignorance.

I would appreciate being given the opportunity to help convert stories from the old archive into the new format. I am technologically adept, given my field of work is in computers. I do have some spare time to offer, and I wish to give back to the community, having been an avid reader of the archive for years. Is this possible?

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:08 pm
by BossTamsin (imported)
That is odd, dark_soul, as I just downloaded a fresh copy of the newest version of Opera (11.51), and there were no issues with it. Could it perhaps be one of your plugins/extensions?

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:33 am
by talula
And this is what I see in Opera 11 both portable and regular (on 7 and xp)

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