george2u2 (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:30 pm Brook, you mentioned that erections were harder to maintain.

Have you noticed a decrease in male body odor?

Not really. That is not to say it has not occurred, just that I have not noticed it. But body odor has really never been much of an issue for me. I am rather thin by nature (very high metabolism) and have never had much body hair to speak of so perhaps that has something to do with it? However, I have noticed an increase in night sweats in just the past few days.

I find these type of questions helpful because sometimes we are not wholly aware of subtle physical changes until they are brought to our attention.

Be well and be safe!

Brooke

BrookeTS (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:20 pm However, I have noticed an increase in night sweats in just the past few days.

You will sweat under heavy covers when your "T" levels drop too low. That's how I know to take my supplements.

I don't like to sleep in a hot room, so I turn down the heater, and sometimes run a fan at the foot of the bed, too.

It is so odd. When you go to bed and cover up because it's a little chilly, then mid-way through the night you wake up soaked and hot.

THAT'S something I'd like a little clarity on; from someone who's been there before . . . Do the night sweats clear up, or continue?

george2u2 (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:30 pm Have you noticed a decrease in male body odor?

Very little of "male body odor" is caused by the testicles.

Some guys do 'musk' in adolescence, but typically grow out of it. And, it is usually others around them that notice the smell. The stinky person rarely notices.

Older guys stink because of what they are eating, lack of exercise, and/or from poor hygiene practices.

Sugar, caffeine, and several spices and herbs are known to cause body odor, and stinky urine (especially caffeine and sugar).

Sweat mixed with bacteria stink. Some sweaty body parts grow bacteria (notably your pits and feet). Bath regularly, use anti-bacterial soap, powders, and anti-bacterial anti-perspirant deodorant (stop the sweating).

Drink lots of pure water every day, to help flush your system. Cut way back on the sugar drinks.

Have you always had body odors? Think about what you do during the day, and what you eat. Then do an ellimination round. If you like to eat some things that are known to cause odor, avoid them; and note the difference.

Hello, I am not new to Eunuch Archives but have been a "visitors" for many many years. I have read many

comments and speculations on topics which require medical or scientific knowledge, some of it lacking. While

I am not totally at ease having to register, I have very high regards for Eunuch Archives and the goals of the

individuals running it. The purpose of these comments in summary is I WOULD AVOID USING CALCIUM CHLORIDE

SALTS AT ALMOST ANY COST.

I believe I have enough experience to make this a valid statement. I have just gone through two weeks of hell

after using it and it should not have happened. I have had extensive experience using 95 percent ethyl alcohol

and hypersaturated sodium chloride (salt) injections. Probably more than 100 injections of the past 14 months without

any real issues other than major discomfort. The alcohol injections did what they were suppose to do and the reasoning

for the additional calcium chloride injections is a topic for another thread.

I put forward several reasons not to use CaCl and some the very possible troubling side effects:

Purity and concentration- Unless you can get medical grade you will be dealing with this issue. If you can get

reagent grade CaCl you will be still be dealing with questions of how to take the salt and make the correct

concentration and there is still the question of possible bacteria. Buying food grade CaCl is has issues because

the concentration is vague, usually stating it at 25 to 30 percent. While it maybe fairly pure, would you really

like to inject directly into your body.

Amount to inject into each testes- The are numerous information in regard to amounts of 20 percent CaCl injected

into dogs testes, but the information seems to be vague in regard to testes mass and body mass. There is a well

defined range but which is the correct figure.

No scientific information for humans being tested-I am sure there is a study somewhere but I could not find it.

It does make you wonder why.

I thought I was being extremely careful, I made sure that the product was sterile, was the right concentration

and the right amount. I am now sure I made several errors in both concentration and amount but I still believe

both would have been within an acceptable range. I am not going to give the actual amounts because I

want to discourage the use of CaCl. I will tell you that the pain and swelling, in my case, was extreme. For the

first 24 hours there was only a fullness of the testicles which was quite similar to larger doses of ethyl alcohol

injections. On the second day the testicles started to increase in size similar to NaCl injections. But that was

only the start of my misery. Soon the scrotum became inflamed and enlarged and sagged. After that the

the the pain become intense. I was lucky because I had hydrocodone available. For the first week there

were several times I almost made an appointment with my urologist. This now just past the second week

most of the pain is gone but I am still very uncomfortable. Both testicles are about two to three times larger.

One testes appears to have an adhesion to the scrotum and there is a constant pinching.

Prior to the CaCl injection both testicles were immune to pain or pressure. I never in my wildest dreams

thought I would ever be subjected to the pain I endured. I would have to say that CaCl can more easily get

outside the testes into the scrotum, at least it did with me. In brief I would avoid this substance even if

it may be a one shot solution. What worries me is that what if the CaCl solution gets beyond the scrotum

into prostate or kidneys. I don't know but I wish I had thought this through more carefully.

I am really sorry you had to go through that eunuched. But to withold vital information I am not sure is the right way to go. Perhaps if we knew the dose and concentration we could adjust considetably. Not to mention you have had numerous injections of alcohol which may affect how it works. What gauge needle did you use. May affect leakage into the scrotum.

Max solubility of calcium chloride in water is 35.9g per 100ml, so you cant get a higher concentration than that. So if you just boil a 33% solution a little bit, calcium chloride will start to precipitate as it cools. And dont store in the fridge...

Darkwicca (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:12 pm I am really sorry you had to go through that eunuched. But to withold vital information I am not sure is the right way to go. Perhaps if we knew the dose and concentration we could adjust considetably. Not to mention you have had numerous injections of alcohol which may affect how it works. What gauge needle did you use. May affect leakage into the scrotum.

Max solubility of calcium chloride in water is 35.9g per 100ml, so you cant get a higher concentration than that. So if you just boil a 33% solution a little bit, calcium chloride will start to precipitate as it cools. And dont store in the fridge...

I could not agree more with Darkwicca. The ultimate purpose of this thread is to share information in a concerted effort so that we might find a safe and effective method for those interested in chemical castration. Unfortunately, as is the nature of such exploits, there are always going to be risks associated with this type of experimentation. However, we can try to mitigate some of those risks by sharing the results of our successes and failures.

That said, I am feeling great! No more swelling or hot spots :O) I will say though that I have been experiencing a dull ache in both testicles for a few days now, typically in the middle of the night, when the scrotum relaxes and they have descended a bit. I am still getting night sweats as well. It has been exactly 15 days almost to the hour so it is still to early to tell if they are shrinking although it appears to me that they are getting smaller A couple of the research papers reported noticeable shrinkage after the third week so I am hopeful that this will be the case. In terms of shape, nothing major to report except that they feel a bit thinner (flatter) are definitely harder and more dense. Also, I have noticed that when the scrotum contracts it is rough like leather or a grapefruit skin in some spots?

Again, I must reiterate that given the experimental nature of CACL injections and the lack of scientific evidence in terms of safety and effectiveness in human applications, I think it would be in everyone's best interest just to sit back and wait for a few weeks to see what the results of my injections bear. As we have learned in reading the earlier post by Eunuched, haste can definitely lead to serious and painful results.

I'll post another update next year!

Happy New Year to everyone and I wish all of you a happy, healthy, and prosperous 2013

Hugs,

Brooke

Darkwicca (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:12 pm I am really sorry you had to go through that eunuched. But to withold vital information I am not sure is the right way to go. Perhaps if we knew the dose and concentration we could adjust considetably. Not to mention you have had numerous injections of alcohol which may affect how it works. What gauge needle did you use. May affect leakage into the scrotum.

Max solubility of calcium chloride in water is 35.9g per 100ml, so you cant get a higher concentration than that. So if you just boil a 33% solution a little bit, calcium chloride will start to precipitate as it cools. And dont store in the fridge...

I agree. While I respect the sincerity of your warning, you account leaves out the two most important pieces of information: the state of your testicles before and the dose. Also your warning covers risks that didn't actually affect you, such as bacteria sterility worries.

The main concern is definitely that getting calcium chloride inside the scrotum it's definitely bad, in fact some of the animal studies mentioned ulcers caused when the fluid leaked into the scrotum. Also, it has been established that the dosage recommended is much smaller than originally thought. Lastly, everyone is reporting some pain, beyond what animal studies implied.

But you still have to peel through the information. We can only discount the method if it fails to achieve castration, if the pain is worse than other do it yourself methods, or other significant problems arise, when the proper dose and application is done.

I had 1cc injected in each testicle, for me the pain was tolerable just sore to touch for three days then totally numb (but I'm someone who pays women to bear my balls) and I believe it is working (still need to wait full term then get blood test for levels of testosterone.

Those that dosed 2cc had more pain, but it seems to have settled.

I still say everyone should be patient and see if castration is actually achieved, then people can try if they choose the smaller doses.

As always, my interest in this was for those people already risking their health and experiencing pain through do it yourself methods. Not something for first timers, for those adverse to pain, our those who have access to surgical method.

Brooke, the residual pain you are feeling MAY (I am not a Doctor...) be related to the atrophy the testicles are undergoing. My reading and personal experience is that it atrophy is not just some magic shrinking process, but there can be pain associated with it. I did about 10 number of alcohol injections on mine last year, then took a break over the summer. My right testicle continued to be tender as it shrunk over the next few months (the left one didn't). I ended up last fall giving it a dose of Everclear in the tender areas to finally calm it down. A secondary effect of alcohol injections in the testicles is killing the nerves in the area - alcohol sclerosis is commonly used in the treatment of Morton's Neurona - a painful nerve inflammation of the foot.

I certainly understand the request for additional information but the whole point of my comments was to dissuade the use of CaCl(2). I have spent many hours researching the medical journals for any study that even suggest the use of CaCl(2) in humans without any success. Both ethyl alcohol and NaCl have been studied with fairly good results and low incidents of medical problems. I personally took the risk knowing that this was something that might prove to have issues. I am not going to reveal what size needle or what concentration or what volume I used because I believe that there are medically much safer methods available even if it takes multiple injections. At some point in the near future I will go in to detail of why I decided to avail myself of CaCl(2), as I am already chemically castrated.

eunuched (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:54 pm I certainly understand the request for additional information but the whole point of my comments was to dissuade the use of CaCl(2). I have spent many hours researching the medical journals for any study that even suggest the use of CaCl(2) in humans without any success. Both ethyl alcohol and NaCl have been studied with fairly good results and low incidents of medical problems. I personally took the risk knowing that this was something that might prove to have issues. I am not going to reveal what size needle or what concentration or what volume I used because I believe that there are medically much safer methods available even if it takes multiple injections. At some point in the near future I will go in to detail of why I decided to avail myself of CaCl(2), as I am already chemically castrated.

Sorry, but that still sounds really strange. You said you injected alcohol up to 100 times in past 14 months. That seems a) really obsessive, b) proof that that method isn't particularly effective. Secondly, if you actually had achieved castration with that method, then presumably your testicles were really small and hard, meaning that the dosing of CaCl would be difficult and also the absorption within the testicle versus seeping into the scrotum would be hard to control.

Everyone injecting CaCl is reporting non-trivial pain. I experienced it myself. But most of us it is only problematic during the initial three days, and compared to other methods (even surgical castration) it is actually less painful for less time. Also we all dosed too high. I did double the right amount (I did 1cc per testicle) and many did four times the right amount (they did 2cc per)! There hasn't been anyone yet who has actually experimented with a proper 0.5cc dose.

I'm pretty sure injecting anything 100 times in 14 months will have a damaging, possibly castrating effect. But most people are looking for something definitive. Note also that the alcohol does acute damage but dissipates quickly and therefore does nothing to prevent the body from attempting to regenerate, whereas the CaCl seems to be the primary method that works by preventing cell repair (rather than simply damaging). So you can lose ground with alcohol injections.

I know acute pain can be unbearable, but I'm not sure months of aching from alcohol injection is really that much better in aggregate. I can't even remember the pain the CaCl caused me, even though I was quite tender for a bit, and that was only about seven weeks ago.

I'm not saying it is safe, but unless you only did 0.25cc per testicle (assuming you're already castrated) your experience doesn't really support your claim that the method itself is unsound (i.e. more painful, less effective or less safe) compared to castration methods generally.

A long time ago, when we here were first looking at one-time injectable methods, literature on injecting lactic acid was reviewed and at least one member chose to try it. The trouble was that he was obsessive and impatient, and in the typical American style that "more must be better", way over-did the dose. He nearly died from ulcerations that caused various complications, including infections, requiring multiple surgeries, etc. But in the end the issue was that he over-did it, not that the method was specifically wrong. I suspect from the massive amount of alcohol you've been injecting that you probably overdid here. Maybe it was accidental (most of us that have injected CaCl took too much due to misreading the literature) or purposeful/compulsive.

But your story does serve an important warning about the problems that arise when, for whatever reason -- over dosing, small or hard testicles, improper injection method -- that CaCl makes it into the scrotum.

Don't be embarrassed about the dose you used, or the reasons for why you did it despite being apparently already castrated. Many of us here, including me, have problems with compulsions. I actu

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:15 pm ally don't want to be castrated

at all -- it is horrible to me that I did this to myself. While I was being injected I wanted to call for help, but part of me knew I wanted to continue. But I've had a lifelong compulsion for self-mutilation of my genitals, and I guess it was just my likely fate to end up ruining them permanently.