Paolo wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:31 am
It ALWAYS evokes a sense of shock and utter panic when the subject of corrective surgery, even shy of castration, is brought up.
Indeed, this is a terrible, terrible way of thinking. It is an arrogant, selfish way of thinking that is almost completely void of reason, to say little of empathy to those who suffer pain on an (almost) constant basis. That's one of the reasons why I feel that we need to get more involved in educating others. That castration is not THAT a big deal our self-worshipping macho society tries to make out of it; that lots of men and boys have been castrated in the past and, to quote (among others) Wassersug's concluding on one of his studies regarding historical considerations of eunuchdom: "Collectively, the historical accounts suggest that, given the right cultural setting and individual motivation, androgen deprivation may actually enhance rather than hinder both social and sexual performance. We conclude that eunuch history contradicts the presumption that androgen deprivation necessarily leads to social and sexual impotence. The capabilities and accomplishments of eunuchs in the past gives patients on ADT grounds for viewing themselves in a positive light, where they are neither socially impotent nor sexually chaste."
Furthermore, to deny someone the ability to get rid of their pain in a cheap and effective manner is a direct violation of the Hippocratic Oath. However, since most doctors these days tend to swear by the Pharmacratic Oath instead, they do not sense any contradiction, apparently.
All of this is highly relevant, and we need to speak up on these issues. Our consciousness demands that we do no less.
Paolo wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:31 am
My middle Godson, at age 13, declared that he'd rather die than have his "nuts cut on."
Which could be viewed in the light of a typical example of a copycat adoption of the views of our largely ball-cock-worshipping "culture". However,
Paolo wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:31 am
To date, I've only heard ONE of the boys, age almost 10 when he said it, say that he'd rather have his '"accessories" just snipped off and outta the way' (his own words) because all they do is get in his way and get hurt.
Which is at least SOME news here. At his age, though, his position makes sense since his balls aren't doing much for him at the moment; they're just hanging there patiently waiting for their "turn" just a couple of years from now. Until then, anything they do is, in fact, just being "in the way".
Quite frankly, I've felt almost exactly the same way at his age. I had such a tremendous fear of being kicked in the nuts (partly because of the fear of excruciating pain, and partly because of the odd belief I had at the time that even a moderate punch in the area would make me permanently impotent!), that I had a tendency to avoid all of the imporant fights that could have given me status and help make an impression on the girls. What's worse, most of the boys had a deliberate tendency to aim at the groin area (those bastards!), which was all the reason I needed to keep out of this whole business and seek compromise, whenever possible (I still had to stand lots of fights, oddly enough - peace is hardwon, it seems!). All I can say is that, were I nutless, I would never hesitate kicking some bully's ass.

Paolo wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:31 am
Don't think WE didn't have a serious conversation about just why boys are built like boys are, and what the testicles begin to do around age 12, give or take a couple of years!
To a certain extent, I think that it is a good thing that he is in a position of being able to recieve some information on this isssue, as long as it is not particularly biased. Personally, I wish that I had studied it at least at the age of 12, so that I could have achieved my goals even earlier.
Paolo wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:31 am
All joking aside, I really hope I was able to get the idea into his head that at age 10, he's probably going to WANT those "accessories" for later use. Given the looks and responses I got, though, I'm not so sure. This is one I'll be keeping a close eye on and having more serious chats with Mother as time passes. After all, he's approaching the statistical age where the castration ideology usually forms up.
Just because a boy is saying that he doesn't mind being nutless simpy because he feels they are "in the way", is in no way an indication (even remotely) that he would be seriously considering castration in the upcoming years. In my personal experience, what you feel before puberty is not necessarily always evidence of anything in this regard. Generally, a good indication that the boy is serious could be a number of things, among others: 1. If he is a singer, a strong desire to retain his voice for professional purposes could persist for many years 2. Have expressed definite transgender behavior for at least a couple of years, with frequent remarks of disgust toward his genitals 3. Have attempted self-castration, for whatever reason (this is very rare before puberty since there is not yet enough hormones to facilitate signifcant distress, though I know of one person who attempted it at the age of 12, only to fulfill it later at the age of 30) 4. Most importantly, once the puberty arrives, expressing singificant, lasting distress about and revulsion to the changes experienced (the latter could be due to many things, from a general dislike of the disadvantages of puberty to transgender issues or the so-called "androgynous gender identity" state).
Paolo wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:31 am
So, no, I think is the answer for the bulk of the male population.
I agree, but only because they haven't given much rational consideration to the issue. I mean, most of the men that I've talked to - including men with higher education - have displayed a surprising lack of knowledge on the issue of castration. The whole subject is so strikingly taboo and "better left alone", that most men don't even bother to learn the very basics of it, let alone being in a position to take an unbiased and informed stance on the matter.