• Curious after reading board.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:58 pm**

Curious241 (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:57 am Hello, I'm Suzanne and like in England. I hope you don't mind me joining your message board, as I'm only here out of curiosity and probably won't post much. I saw the person on This Morning talking about voluntary castration and he mentioned this message board so I couldn't help having a read. I don't want you to think I came on here to preach or tell people what to think, as it's nothing to do with me, but I'm a curious person who likes to find out about things.

I have to admit I'm ignorant and haven't read the whole board.

Maybe it's my own problem and you might mind me asking and it's not my intention to offend anybody, but people seem to have various reasons for undertaking castration. I can understand why somebody might want to undertake this procedure but the message board seems so varied, as it goes from people who genuinely have their own reasons because they feel they should be that way, to those who have cancer, but what I have a problem (and it's my problem, so not saying others should have one) are those people are on here because they like perverted fantasises of being castrated (maybe perverted is the wrong word, but can't think of another). Would somebody who has fantasies of being castrated, in the way of just the act and not actually living castrated, fall onto the dark side and be more suited to some sex web site with other similar things? I'm far from a prude and everybody has a sex life with things they prefer and if somebody prefers sex being castrated then it's a genuine thing, but in my mind I can't connect fantasises of the actual act of being castrated with genuine medical, physical or physiological discussions so it turns the problems people might genuinely have into looking like something else.

Just that when I saw the man talking on This Morning, he seemed to dislike his oncoming masculinity and said he now sees sex as more of a loving thing than how he did before he had high testosterone levels, so I don't understand how people like that could have much in common with somebody who just wants to come online to talk about fantasises of being mutilated for sexual pleasure, but not really want the procedure, just the thought of the actual act of castration to get off or want to talk about it. Another thing is, there was a man on here who says he just wants to be castrated to gain weight because he wants to be so fat that he has to be an adult baby and not even wipe his backside. Why would anybody with genuine reasons for castration want people like that on the message board, as somebody like me who looks for the first time out of curiosity might think you're all like that and the whole reason for the site is just for things like that. Then again, maybe it's nothing to do with me and I shouldn't poke my nose in.

You sound just like my wife, except she has never read any of the posts here, but she thinks we're all crazy. I had my reasons for castration too. They were the same as some, different than most. I live in America and I was fortunate enough to be sent a copy of the BBC Documentry by one of your countrymen. By seeing Roger, you saw one of the best people in the documentry. He is a very courageous young man. I thought the documentry touched too much on as you say, "the dark side" and not enough on the more valid reasons for castration. Maybe in so doing, they showed how desperate guys can become to finding relief from there problems. It's pretty sad that Roger had to leave his own country and travel 3000 miles to get help. We thought our medical system was bad. It's difficult to get a doctor to do the procedure here, but not impossible. The problem most guys have, I think, is that, the doctors that are willing to do the surgery, are few and far between. When you do find one that is willing the costs are usually rather high, especially for the good ones. The ones that actually care want you to see at least one therapist. Mine require three. Some of that is out of concern for the patient, but also because the doctor doesn't want to get sued. My total cost was around $8,000. Many guys are driven to the dark side because they can't afford anything else, so they take that chance or try to do it themselves. DIY is not usually good. Many have died trying or left themselves mamed. I just hope the documentry brings favorable light to the subject, so people can get the help they need without being made out to be a kook. Thanks for your interest, it was a good thread starter.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:59 pm**

I'm glad to see, Curious, that you approach the issue of castration desire in a basically non-judgemental way. That is the key to understanding a group as heterogeneous as the membership of the Eunuch Archive.

I became obsessed with castration fantasies at age 15 when I discovered that I am homosexual. At that time and in that mileu, it was analogous to discovering that one is a werewolf. I regarded myself as a monster of perversity and wanted to eradicate my "abnormal" sex urge.

I never did anything about it, but continued to concoct tales of castration for my own entertainment until I discovered the Eunuch Archive and realized that there are many others who entertain and enjoy similar fantasies. I began to write and "publish" my stories in the Archive, and have contributed 86 at last count. This has given satisfaction to me and enjoyment to others.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:16 pm**

Bagoas (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:59 pm I never did anything about it, but continued to concoct tales of castration for my own entertainment until I discovered the Eunuch Archive and realized that there are many others who entertain and enjoy similar fantasies. I began to write and "publish" my stories in the Archive, and have contributed 86 at last count. This has given satisfaction to me and enjoyment to others.

I might add that an overwhelming majority of members here have said the same thing. "I was so relieved to find this place; it meant I wasn't the only one thinking like this!" I know I sure said that.

Personally, I think that's what keeps us going as we do. Other times, I think that's ALL that keeps ME going.

And I have to agree, I can't think of anyone better to the "face man" of the Archive than our very own Roger! How can anyone be put off by a face like that?

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:08 am**

I don't see why there's anything wrong with a doctor needing psychiatric reports before they carry out the surgery, as if it isn't done because of a physical disease, then there are psychological reasons with irreversible consequences, especially if they haven't had children. I don't think a doctor would give a woman a hysterectomy without psychiatric reports if she physically didn't need it, if a doctor would do it at all. I think it's quite common for lots of people to get confused about their sexuality, so a doctor needs to be sure a person is sure, as opposed to confused.

I do sometimes joke to my friends that my cat is much nicer since he has been castrated and more men should get castrated.

If I was a man I don't think I would like a pair of balls flapping around, although you are lucky with your penis that you can use the toilet standing up.

I can't really bring myself to read fantasy stories of the actual act of castration, as to me, it brings the subject down and I don't want to get into that. As far as I'm concerned, what people do in their bedroom is private, although some people need aids to help with their fantasies. From what people have said on here, the reasons seem quite genuine that they would want to live that way, but it's quite common for people to have various fantasies and to me that turns into porn or S and M instead of a serious discussion.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:17 am**

Yes I did think the The Fraj who I saw on This Morning seemed a nice person, although I thought it was a shame he thought being a man with testicles had to be a certain way and he might have made a nice father one day, as how can future generations learn and have various role models to tell them that men can be all types of people? Although I don't want to judge and if what he has done has made him happy then each to their own.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:47 am**

Hi Curious,

I think you're right, in a way, that doctors need psychiatric reports about people in certain situations. But perhaps the problem sometimes lies in the fact that doctors, along with most of society, don't always understand that some people consider themselves to be of a third gender, neither male or female.

There is a tendency, in the medical world, to assume that everyone should fit into what we call the 'binary system' (meaning male or female, two genders).

There are some people who are transgendered (t/g), they are born into what they feel to be the wrong body. For a very long time, this wasn't accepted as a medical diagnosis and people who were t/g were, for the most, either shunned or thought to have all sorts of peculiar psychiatric problems. Then, following a lot of research, it was finally realised that some people really ARE in the wrong body. Thus it was that the concept of gender reassignment (commonly referred to as an 'SRS' - sexual reassignment surgery) was born. I happen to know the person who had the very first gender reassignment in the UK, he began life in a male body and had a gender reassignment to bring him into line with what he felt in his head. He then lived very successfully as a female (in fact, she was, for a time, a female fashion model). But then I also have a friend who had an SRS from male to female. He was not properly assessed (for whatever reason) and was desparately unhappy afterwards. He now swings between both genders. He is lucky, he has a partner who has been with him throughout the entire thing and really doesn't mind which gender he prefers to be (I refer to him as male because, at the moment, he presents himself as male).

The problem for people who feel 'third gendered' is that they don't feel they fit into any gender stereotype (I'm certainly not trying to speak on behalf of Roger here, I'm talking more generally), BUT society more or less insists that we must ALL conform to either male or female.

Once you let go of the two-gendered system, then things change quite dramatically.

For me, for example, it's not about what society expects of me or about societal expectations of masculinity or femininity, it's about what I feel I am. And THAT doesn't fit into any of the currently existing categories.

I'm not a freak, I'm not even a freak-of-nature, I'm quite a nice person most of the time!

But society will always deem me as 'odd'. Speaking personally, I think that this is society's fault and not mine.

But people such as you offer the chance for some of us to try to explain things and that's a great opportunity.

I'm glad you're here.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:17 am**

Thank you for not being too hard on me with my questions as sometimes I seem to offend people when I ask about things. I was once interested in religion and spirituality and wanted to find out about all religions, so went onto a Jewish message board and they were all accusing me of preaching and how I shouldn't be on there if I didn't agree with them, so it's nice to have a proper discussion. It has been enlightening and interesting to find out your opinions and think I found out what I wanted to know.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:30 am**

Oh, just thought I would add, I'm studying law and we will cover about the legally recognised sex of a person.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:22 am**

Curious241 (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:08 am If I was a man I don't think I would like a pair of balls flapping around, although you are lucky with your penis that you can use the toilet standing up.

*i sit down when i pee, it feels much more comfy...*,

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:35 pm**

As for the question about the three chromasomes, for us humans the Y chromasome will always make you male however the extra X chromasome (60% cases from the maternal side) will make you the type of person that needs to come up with some excuse when the boys are forming teams and of course they are happy that you're leaving. Also under the microscope it can be determined that you're cells have barr bodies (just like a girl!) and are therefore eligible for the women's olympics (in the past) if it weren't for the two marbles in a bag between the legs and some other formation above. In the cases where the extra X is paternal they come out with long limbs as in the extra Y cases.)

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