Hi Hash,

I've been on HRT since I was 19. I have balls but they have not produced significant T since an accident when I was 14. After 30 years of HRT I need to take about 800mg of cyp a week. If I do that I feel absolutely fantastic! I only take highly purified material made for me by a compounding pharmacy. With this I get no water retention and no increase in blood pressure. My estrogens are normal, my cholesterol is 138. My bodyfat is less than 12%. I train two hours a day and I don't get tired. I have great orgasms every day and I look forward to them. Oh, and I bench 315 at 50 years of age.

Okay, it sounds like I'm bragging, sorry. I don't mean it that way, I'm just making the point that most people who cite a difference on Testosterone are either taking far less than they need or they are taking the garbage that a regular doctor prescribes. Go to a preventive medical doctor and fill it at a compounding pharmacy. I had to try several compounding pharmacies before I found a high-quality product.

If I slack off on my shots, I really go to crap. MRT knows because we message each other frequently: I recently slacked off on my shots and it took over a month for my sex drive to come back. I lost my desire to exercise and all I wanted to do was math and programming. My wife was getting very frustrated. The amount you take makes a huge difference.

BTW - the implants do a lot of tissue damage because of the big holes they have to make in your glute. You need about six implants every 3-4 months. After several years my friends had to stop because it was turning their glutes into scar tissue and their butts were full of ugly scars.

The T skin gels can increase your dihydrotestosterone (DHT) level. DHT is implicated in prostate hypertrophy and may be a factor in prostate cancer... and it can make your hair fall out. There is an enzyme in the skin 5-reductase that converts the T to DHT. Shots are a pain in the ass but they're still the best.

Several bodybuilder friends of mine who had sexual addictions found that they were comfortably under control with high T levels. It sounds paradoxical, but it often works (it did not work for one friend). But it has to be 'clean' because 800mg of the junk you get in a regular pharmacy has so many impurities in it you would get sick. If it is clean it does not seem hurt your liver or kidneys. My tests are normal after 30 years.

I may lose my testicles some day soon and your description of the loss of the cremaster muscle which connects to the testicle is something I am afraid of. I wonder if the doctor can spare it and attach it to an implant?

MRT, that's a good question to ask your doctor.

Good luck,

DocT

DocT (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:45 am The T skin gels can increase your dihydrotestosterone (DHT) level. DHT is implicated in prostate hypertrophy and may be a factor in prostate cancer... and it can make your hair fall out. There is an enzyme in the skin 5-reductase that converts the T to DHT

is`nt there a DHT blocker out there? keep thinking I have read something on that

update, found this,

Natural substances know to control DHT is Zinc, Zinc is found in Peas and Potato skin.

The drugs belonging to the group known as 5α-reductase inhibitors are used for treatment of problems stemming from DHT. This group includes finasteride (sold under the names Proscar for BPH and Propecia for androgenic alopecia as well as in generic formulation) and dutasteride (sold under the name Avodart). Currently, DHT supplementation is not used as a treatment for DHT/androgen deficiency.

Alternative treatments used to inhibit DHT include dietary supplementation with, or topically administered preparations of, saw palmetto berry extractives. Unlike most known 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors, saw palmetto induces its effects without interfering with the cellular capacity to secrete PSA. [1] Saw palmetto extract has been demonstrated to inhibit both isoforms of 5-alpha-reductase unlike finesteride which only inhibits the (predominant) type 2 isoenzyme of 5-alpha-reductase. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

Also, the chemical equol, derived by consuming foods rich in soy isoflavones by persons with certain digestive-tract bacterial flora, appears to have an androgen-inhibitive effect.

DocT (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:45 am Hi Hash,

I've been on HRT since I was 19. I have balls but they have not produced significant T since an accident when I was 14. After 30 years of HRT I need to take about 800mg of cyp a week. If I do that I feel absolutely fantastic! I only take highly purified material made for me by a compounding pharmacy. With this I get no water retention and no increase in blood pressure. My estrogens are normal, my cholesterol is 138. My bodyfat is less than 12%. I train two hours a day and I don't get tired. I have great orgasms every day and I look forward to them. Oh, and I bench 315 at 50 years of age.

Okay, it sounds like I'm bragging, sorry. I don't mean it that way, I'm just making the point that most people who cite a difference on Testosterone are either taking far less than they need or they are taking the garbage that a regular doctor prescribes. Go to a preventive medical doctor and fill it at a compounding pharmacy. I had to try several compounding pharmacies before I found a high-quality product.

If I slack off on my shots, I really go to crap. MRT knows because we message each other frequently: I recently slacked off on my shots and it took over a month for my sex drive to come back. I lost my desire to exercise and all I wanted to do was math and programming. My wife was getting very frustrated. The amount you take makes a huge difference.

BTW - the implants do a lot of tissue damage because of the big holes they have to make in your glute. You need about six implants every 3-4 months. After several years my friends had to stop because it was turning their glutes into scar tissue and their butts were full of ugly scars.

The T skin gels can increase your dihydrotestosterone (DHT) level. DHT is implicated in prostate hypertrophy and may be a factor in prostate cancer... and it can make your hair fall out. There is an enzyme in the skin 5-reductase that converts the T to DHT. Shots are a pain in the ass but they're still the best.

Several bodybuilder friends of mine who had sexual addictions found that they were comfortably under control with high T levels. It sounds paradoxical, but it often works (it did not work for one friend). But it has to be 'clean' because 800mg of the junk you get in a regular pharmacy has so many impurities in it you would get sick. If it is clean it does not seem hurt your liver or kidneys. My tests are normal after 30 years.

I may lose my testicles some day soon and your description of the loss of the cremaster muscle which connects to the testicle is something I am afraid of. I wonder if the doctor can spare it and attach it to an implant?

MRT, that's a good question to ask your doctor.

Good luck,

DocT

Hi Doc.

Yes, my pair is going down to zilch. My Uroligist said I have nothing connecting my testes (or whats left) to the scrotum so any future implants would get attached to ?? Not sure. But I will ask.

Warning this is just internet meds when anyone reads anything I post about HRT. *Find out from your Doctor NOT MrT. But what I read is that where you apply the gels is the secret to not creating massive DHT levels. The old Patch which I almost started on went on the scrotum and made mountains of DHT. Thus they are no longer used (or?) The guys who slater Androgel or Testim on their scrotum and penis are going to get large levels. If they follow the instructions (Which I hope they do) these levels are supposed to be insignificant. That said A yearly (or bi yearly) DRE (Digital Rectal Exam) and a PSA test is a must if your taking HRT. I think that taking it regularly is vital. As you said when you dropped off you felt "normal" but normal for you is not being asexual and laying around watching TV and such. Testosterone "wires" the brain I feel. And yes you can choose a Eunuch life and as some say be happy with it. I would rather my balls explode into flame then not be on a healthly level of Testosterone.

Saw Palmetto is good. Get a standardized brand though, so you know how potent it is. There are many crap supplements out there because the FDA has no control over a "supplement". I use this brand; www.prostaterx.net I know it works because if I take two capsules a day, my beard will stop growing. LOL This means it is blocking the DHT like it is supposed to.

Testman (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:36 am Saw Palmetto is good. Get a standardized brand though, so you know how potent it is. There are many crap supplements out there because the FDA has no control over a "supplement". I use this brand; www.prostaterx.net I know it works because if I take two capsules a day, my beard will stop growing. LOL This means it is blocking the DHT like it is supposed to.

I agree

strongly with your first point. My Doc spelled out for me the insane lack of any oversight or standardized tests for Herbals and Vitamins (Other then Prenatal) and it scared the hell out of me. And confuses me?! I read a report from the Mayo Clinic that said that as far as prostate health they don't give a thumbs up to Saw Palmetto. I asked my Doc and she said "Keep taking it. Studies and viewpoints change but as long as they don't report a danger keep on taking it." One thing I've only understood for a short time is that Vitamin D is needed with Calcium for those of us with hormone issues. The Vit D helps the Calcium be absorbed? And thus we can avoid bone problems and such.