Hi again all,

I just took the Moir-Jessel Brain Sex Test from the same site where you take the COGIATI Test. I scored an 85 on the brain test which indicates that: I scored significantly more feminine than the average male. Male scores above 60 may show a brain sex bias to the female. And as an added note, If I where a bio female: I scored significantly more feminine than even the average female. A score above 100 points to a very differently wired brain than that of the opposite sex . . . my score was 120. If these two test were taken seriously by the medical world, I would have already been given SRS with no questions asked. None of the tests I took have given me any surprises. I do not consider myself to be gay.. I consider myself female all the way and again I'm very proud of it....!!

Again, I wish all respect and love....

thefraj (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:09 am * Ever prefer to play Netball (which girls were made to play) instead of Football (which the boys played) at elementary school? But just preferred the game, because it was gentler and you were better at it?

In the USA, football isn't soccer. "Boys' football" has the oval brown ball with stitches. Soccer has the black and white round ball. I loved soccer; it was the only sport I was even remotely good at. We covered it for all of 2 days in Phys.Ed., then it was on to more of the typical sports that I had no talent for. I also preferred badmington, tennis, kickball, dodgeball - all of which were neglected. The other boys often referred to them as "girls' games."

thefraj (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:09 am * Did you ever shop for new glasses, only to be told by mother that the pair you wanted was 'meant for girls', but you just liked the design?

Wasn't mother - it was grandfather, and he refused to let me get the thin round glasses when I was like 12. They were "too delicate" and looked like girls' frames. Actually, they looked like thinner Harry Potter frames, only gray. I got stuck with something like Buddy Holly wore, only heavier.

thefraj (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:09 am * Ever enjoy Home Economics at school, but kept it quiet because your friends might tease you for it?

Never took Home Ec. I took typing, office procedure, book-keeping, etc. Finally, during my Sophomore year, while being teased about it at lunch (I'd just billed one of the jocks $5 to type up his English paper) I came right out and said, "Hey, I have 2 classes this year where I sit next to Vicki and her tits. On the other side is Chrissy. Both of them were hot, with the exception that Vicki took Auto mechanics too. She was a Senior. "Why would I want to spend 2 hours a day with you guys in a hot, smelly shop when I sit in a cool classroom with them?" That shut 'em up. Not that I cared at the time for the girls, they were good friends and Vicki could fix any car...

thefraj (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:09 am * Ever collect Wish-nik trolls with colourful hair you could re-arrange (they bring luck too!) but thought nothing of it?

I collected antique glass, Christmas ornaments, and comic books. I figure I lost about $2 million when granny cleaned out my room when I was 15. I did routinely play with one of my sister's dolls, though, becuase we HAD to have a Wonder Woman action figure for our Justice League and they didn't make one then. I did, however, check all my action figures for genitals. None had them, of course, and I thought that was really 'neat'. I think I've still got one of those Fisher-Price things around here, too, with the little armless people that fit in the cutouts.

thefraj (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:09 am * Ever have trouble using urinals, and would rather sit down (because it's less gender-specific and makes you feel comfortable)

I was nearsighted and a tendency to spray when I stood up. I got my ass beat regularly for missing a spot when I cleaned up. The good thing about having a cock was I could go outside to pee. Other than that, it was endless screaming at me to sit down to do it. I hated it. I loved public restrooms, since I got to go in alone and no one was there to yell at me.

thefraj (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:09 am * Were you ever happy to play around at a girl-friends house with her dolls or pet hamster, but thought nothing of it, because it was kinda neat.

My best friends in school were always girls. At recess, we'd play tag around the janitor's mini barn, or that game where you throw the ball over the barn. If it got stuck though, "I" had to go up and get it. I never played with the boys at baseball, etc., because I sucked at it and wasn't wanted. In summer, I was usually the 'little boy' left behind, as everyone was older. I got on well with their sisters, though...

I'm not politically correct but the term "Final Solution" always makes me uneasy. Is it just me?

If I understand this correctly, is the Fraj saying that those who desire orchiectomy, are attempting to attain harmony between their own mental perceptions of their gender identity--something which may have been determined before they were born--and the physical characteristics of their bodies?

I suppose that could be one reason, for some. I'm not sure it could be a general explanation for all those who have the desire.

Although I actually find this a little outside my own experience, I would guess that there may be a larger question here. That is to say, is there something about the human mind (or, perhaps, the minds of mammals, in general) which generates in some individuals a "third gender type?" I think Jesus has done some research on this sort of thing. I suppose a gender type of that kind doesn't have to have a purpose, but it would be more elegant, as it were, if it did have some definable purpose, assuming that it exists as a normal (or extranormal?) state of mind. Maybe this whole issue of gender identification can be looked at as, in mathematical terms, a continuum, where individuals can be located anywhere on the continuum, between strongly male at one pole, and strongly female, at the other. Of course, there are usually only two possible sets of reproductive organs, so folks near the middle of the continuum, or who are somehow placed on the side of it inconsistent with the organs they were born with, would be somewhat in limbo.

Back in my early days of wanting to transition I often wondered if I was really TS. Sometimes I thought about the possibility that I could be neither male nor female. Sometimes I still do wonder that, and I also often wonder whether I could be happy as a eunuch.

However, I always go back to femininity in the end. I'm not sure what brings me there, but it's just a need I have. I think a lot of it may be that in society it is the only option other than male. It is clear I am not male, and female is the only other option society will accept.

If there were a way to present to society as a eunuch, perhaps remaining a eunuch would be something I'd really have to consider. But if I did decide to stay a eunuch, I'd still have to present to society as male, and that isn't acceptable to me.

Then there are other times when I am certain I am female and always have been. This seems to be the case the majority of the time, and so transition is where I am headed.

When I was cut, I knew it was something I needed to do, but I wasn't sure why I was doing it. I was sure I at least needed to become a eunuch but I was not sure whether I would still have any desires to become anything else. Now I have found that I still want to transition, but there is also a part of me that wants to enjoy life the way it is now. I have decided to give into the transition part.

If it were possible to present to society as a third gender and be accepted as such, I wonder how many TSs would do that instead of transition.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:11 pm The problem with the test is that it assumes that you have trans gender issues or you wouldn't be taking the test. There are too many questions that wouldn't apply otherwise. I would like to see a similar test that just measured sexuality on a feminine -- masculine scale, leaving out all the cross dressing questions.

The only time I ever cross dressed was when I was chosen as a cheerleader for a girl's football game in high school. All the cheerleaders were boys and we all wore lipstick and bras. I wore my mother's black bra which showed up nicely under my white t-shirt.

By the way, I scored classification 2, -175

I agree with Slammr on some of the questions. There were a couple that needed a "none of the above" for me to answere correctly but overall a good test. I scored a 5 androsomthing.

For me I happy if they want to call me the "third" gender...it works.

Thanks,

T

Yes, that's true about the tests. Why would you take them otherwise? I wonder if they have been given to a control group of people who never have any gender issues, if there are such people. For me, I was excited to discover that such tests exist, because I have wondered about these things since I was a kid. I knew I was different from other guys, like my deadhead homophobic older brothers. When they taunted me for my fem traits or tendencies, it hurt the more because at some level even then I knew it was the honest truth. I mean, I liked being a guy, especially having a penis to play with; but I did relate to fem things. too. Eventually I made up my mind to be myself and enjoy it. Thankfully the bros took themselves off to other parts of the world and made a mess of their own lives.

Fraj,

Got the magic 3 (-75). Lines up with what I've been feeling. I like how castration put some distance between me and normal manhood.

By the way, you made a great post on the 'The Fraj and Poor Choices' thread:

http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showpos ... stcount=19

'Gentle male' -- good characterization. And, yes, we have become fragile emotionally. Tears come easily, and sometimes for no good reason. There's a heightened sense of compassion, and I thank God everyday for my new state.

Thanks for your contributions to EA.

I finally got around to taking the COGIATI a second time. The first time I took it I scored as androgynous, and this time I scored as a probable TS.