I've heard rumors before that there exist mainstream surgeons who are willing to remove a woman's healthy uterus just because she doesn't want to menstruate anymore. I don't know how true this is, though.

Also, some underground cutters will perform labia removal and clitoris removal.

(An Onymous)

In the quote that you gave

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An Onymus (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:01 pm Historically, some women who were placed in harems in the Middle East, were subjected to removal of the ovaries.

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Have you any more information about this?<br>

How did they manage to to perform bilateral oophorectomy (spaying) without killing the woman (or child) in antiquity (since they would not have had the same degree of anatomical knowledge, asceptic techniques or anaesthesia)?

Just curious...

Tiddly Pom--

I have to admit that I made the statement without remembering where I read the passage about the removal of women's ovaries. As is true of a lot of the references I have referred to over recent years, it may have come from the Peter Tompkins book, THE EUNUCH AND THE VIRGIN. I do remember reading a passage somewhere, which included the assertion that the ovaries were removed from women so that they could be used in harems, without the possibility of their becoming pregnant.

Strictly speaking, the period in which the removal of women's organs in this way would have occurred, might not necessarily have been the time generally referred to as antiquity. It could have been as late as the nineteenth century. The surgery is somewhat invasive, but would not be substantially more so than caesarean section, which, as the name indicates, is supposed to have been used in Roman times. I have to admit that I am not knowledgeable about the history of surgical procedures, and so can't speak to the issue of whether operations of this type would often have been successful before the advent of modern medicine.

A1:

It would not be the same as not having it, any more than vasectomy is the same as castration.

I am apparently not quite getting my point across. Nullification, complete and total, is what I want. I want it gone.

DocT:

Not that it is any of your business, but no, and no.

happousai:

Should you happen to learn the names of those surgeons, please post it, or send me a private message.

Sunny (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:12 pm I am apparently not quite getting my point across. Nullification, complete and total, is what I want. I want it gone.

Good point. I understand completely. We have seen some interesting posts, many not exactly on topic. That happens in threads--they can certainly drift.

But many others wish the same thing--

Sunny (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:12 pm Nullification, complete and total.

You are hardly alone.

Many surgeons advertise following the SoC reccommendations by the HBIGDA. This would require obtaining a "letter" (actually two of them) for genital surgery approval. However, if you deal directly with the surgeons, you may get what you need. Indeed, the FtM surgeons in the list that I provided do perform the surgeries that you require. Or you could seek out the "letters."

Vaginectomy is more complicated than a simple male castration. A hospital setting with an experienced surgeon seems logical to me.

I would suggest contacting the surgeons in the list and explaining what you need and then plan accordingly.

Hugs,

Kelly

Kelly_2 (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:35 pm Vaginectomy is more complicated than a simple male castration. A hospital setting with an experienced surgeon seems logical to me.

Sunny,

Please listen to Kelly. It is very dangerous to do this outside of a hospital. Do not let anybody touch you who wants to do this in the office or even as an outpatient procedure. This is a procedure that will require a great deal of surgical skill to do properly.

A-1

Sunny,

The number of women that desire such nullification as you seek are as rare as hen's teeth. However, the beginnings of such may be found easily in most public libraries. Hasting's massive old twelve volume "Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics" treates it and deals with actual research on it. You will find it in several areas--"circumcision" (of females), "infibulation"[different from circumcisional confusions of modern writers] (of females), etc. Such is almost forgotten or dismissed by modern writers and those who write from seminary libraries, rather than research and record findings.

That for which you seek occurred to women (especially those caught being hyper-sexual, primarily prior to their marriage rites and because of such behavior they were deemed too lose to function in their primative society). The elders took such woman into their special tent and had intercourse (etc.) with her, much as the last rites of the town whore. Following this they excised the labia minor, the clitorus, and the labia major. Having removed her outer sex organs, one or more of those "elders" put tough leather around tree bark protecting their fists and arms; then they wrapped viscious thorns (likened to our early barbed-wire); they then used such to destroy the vagina, womb, etc. (often pulling these out clinging to the thorns. Staunching the internal bleeding they stitched (with leather strips) the raw remainders of the vulva together with a large straw in the uretha or a stick laying horizontal under the stitches to allow urine to escape. These "elders" then forced the old women to tend to this mutilated, desexed woman to nurse her back to health (?). Optionally they burned off her breasts and often cut out her tongue also. These women(?) never responded to any sexual stimuli and stood as testimony to the other women what would happen to the betrothed that had gone a whoring.

Upon reading this in Hastings, I almost puked and thought that any cost for the death(s) of those "elders" would have been too exorbitant. Circumcision had a place and reasons for the men; however, for a female such has never been so.

If you don't have to hide your face under a paper bag to go out in public, forget your search, find a male with an equal sexual drive as yours, and enjoy thrilling each other until the day feelings no longer can be conducted by your aged nerves. No woman is too (anything negative) to find a fellow that loves her; AND no man is (anything negative) to find a woman that loves him. Keep looking, and demand fulfillment as you be his fulfillment. My best to you. Every woman has a beautiful pussy and marvelous mammaries; and most women will agree that every unselfish man has a beautiful cock and balls. Patiently search for your "pearl" in every "oyster" you consider. Any further questions, contact me direct.

Simultaniously flirtatious and condescending, this post does not really require an answer. But perhaps, just perhaps, there is an off chance that something I write might open your mind just a little.

First. Popular opinion means exactly nothing to me. Nothing. Decisions about myself and my body are decided by fiat, not consensus. If I cared what the majority of people who lived in my nation thought, I'd be a bubbly, mincing little thing who wore pink, and acted pure until a man wanted something else. That idea brings me close to vomiting myself.

Second. That above passage is meaningless here. Heinous stories of ancient or primitive mutilations of unwilling people are horrible. But barring the final result, namely, genderlessness, it has absolutely nothing in common with my own desires, and my method of fulfilling them.

Third. Your suppositions about my methods of finding happiness are so warped as to be laughable. Firstly, I've no desire to find a man. Ever. Not my style, and never has been. Second, you repeatedly refer to me as female. Genetically, yes, but I do NOT consider myself to have a gender at all. Do you recommend the transgender community members here simply abandon their identities to fit some archaic and largely exploitative system of gender role?

Think hard before you post.

To everyone else, sorry I fed the troll, but I've gotten more than enough of this answer in the last few months to make holding my tongue extraordinarily difficult.

Sunny,

I've been reading this thread, and I think you'll find that if you drop your attitude and stop reading things into the replies that are not there, you will do much better.

There are a lot of great people here at EA that are only trying to offer their thoughts and advice, which USUALLY why people post to this Board in the first place.