I thought women *do* have a "shaft", which is the part of the clitoris that's actually inside the body, and is sexually sensate (especially if the exposed part of clitoris has been removed), although less so.

lisa (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:35 am Hey! I'am woman and I don't know how penis feels.

Only, what I read.

A penis hangs between your legs and frequently gets pinched when you walk or sit. When the testicles get pinched or bumped, it really hurts.

One option is to wear snug fitting jockey shorts or panties. However, this frequently pinches your penis and testicles and creates an unsightly bulge in the front of your trousers.

The penis is very sensitive and always feels like it needs to be relieved through ejaculation (either sex or masturbation). Who enjoys having that feeling all the time? When you see a beautiful woman and your thoughts focus on her, those feelings become unbearable and the penis frequently becomes erect and sticks out in your pants. This is very uncomfortable and embarrassing.

Women feel that the penis is great for peeing. However, it is more of an inconvenience. Pulling it out through the fly of your pants pinches and restricts the flow and makes it almost impossible to totally empty the bladder. You can’t totally control the urine flow and it frequently splashes on the toilet, on the floor and on your pants. You frequently get the last squirt after tucking it back in your pants, leaving a wet spot right in the front of your trousers. You also have to hang it out in front of other guys at the urinal as privacy partitions are not provided. If you choose to sit and the penis is semi-erect or erect it is almost impossible to direct it into the toilet bowl. Women can sit and relax and totally empty their bladder without being concerned about any of these problems.

These are only a few of the disadvantages of the penis. The only real function of the penis (and enjoyment provided by it) is sex and impregnation. These functions account for such a small proportion of the time that they do not fully compensate one for all of the inconveniences of having a penis.

Be thankful for your pussy and all of the advantages, which it provides. It’s only disadvantage is menstruation and doctors will willingly eliminate that with a hysterectomy on request if you do not desire to have any more children. You can then have sex whenever you desire it, without any of the inconveniences.

P.S. Also, if you are a male (with or without a penis), society does not allow you the convenience and comfort of wearing a skirt (or other feminine styled items).

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Mac (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:48 am These are only a few of the disadvantages of the penis.

Maybe we should make a thread listing the advantages and disadvantages of having a penis. After all, there already exists websites that list the advantages and disadvantages of castration.

I can't think of anything that you didn't already list, though.

Technically I cannot vote in your poll because

I am not chemically castrated.

I have been on estrogen for nearly 3 years

and on current dosage i sure FEEL like

i am castrated.

(mentally, low sex drive almost non existant errections etc.)

OH.. and BTW I LOVE the feeling.

But I would like to hear Riverwinds thoughts on

the question of Chemical vs. Surgical castration.

I have (as I am sure many of you have) read

second and third hand accounts of people who

used chemical castration to "test drive" a

phisical one. In those accounts many say that

sexuality (what drive, emotions, desire NOT

necessarily the ability to become errect)

were totally destroyed by chemicals like

Androcour. But that after PHISICAL castration

some "desire" returned.

The explanation for this is that the chemicals

BLOCK testosterone receptors, totally shutting

down those parts of the body/brain that are

triggered by T. While PHISICAL removal of the

testicles drastically reduces the amount of

testosterone, but that the little that is produced

by other parts of the body (adreanals) is able

to produce response/desire.

The teory sounds reasonable, women don't have

testicles but do have a small amount of Testosterone and consequently have a healthy

desire for intamacy.

SO.. Riverwind...

You are uniquely (eunechly) in a position to

give a first hand observation on this theory,

how bout it????

Why do I ask???

well... on estro. I feel just about right...

I am very happy with the very reduced drive

and zero spontaneous errections.

I desire to go further and the next logical step

would be Androcur(sp?)

but is that like "the real thing" or not????

Thanks

Aria

Aria_tg@hotmail.com

whatver happene to eunuch calm. you guys sound like your ready to put your dukes up and fight. lets get real.

limpdick (imported) wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2003 3:42 pm whatver happene to eunuch calm. you guys sound like your ready to put your dukes up and fight. lets get real.

Ooops... did you think that I was trying to pick

a fight...

No... not at all..

I was just asking riverwind for his personal

experiances of the differences between chemical

and surgical castration.

Just doing the research...

Aria

aria_tg@hotmail.com

It has been three weeks today since my first shot. I have an appoint with my Dr. on july 9th for my second round. I still get very horny and I was wondering, when will this subside. I have been having hot flashes, but I still have to jerk off several times per day and pussy is still a very distracting thing for me.

My Dr. said that this is new territory for her, she gave me the drug handout for birth control. This is all she has ever used it for. I may have noticed a very subtle change in libido, but I just can't say for sure.

thanks,

Jack...

Hello again,

First of all I would like to thank everyone that voted in the poll and gave their reply. It seems that the majority of voters have not gone the chemical route before actual physical castration. I am hoping that everyone that "did not" have some sort of chemical intervention beforhand, knew what was to be expected and were happy with their desicions afterwards.

aria_tg (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:19 pm Technically I cannot vote in your poll because

I am not chemically castrated.

I have been on estrogen for nearly 3 years

and on current dosage i sure FEEL like

i am castrated.

(mentally, low sex drive almost non existant errections etc.)

OH.. and BTW I LOVE the feeling.

To Aria,

If you are on an "estrogen only" regiment, I would suggest that you are indeed chemically castrated, depending on the dose that you are taking. Estrogen alone can and will have an anti-androgen effect if the dose is high enough. Also, I was on an estrogen only regiment for several months, after some blood work, my doctor slowly increased the doses and added anti-andorgens (spironolactone) to put my hormonal levels into the female ranges. I am also nearing the 3 year mark for being on HRT, in August (although it hadn't been consistent before I started seeing the doctors 14 months ago).

aria_tg (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:19 pm I have (as I am sure many of you have) read

second and third hand accounts of people who

used chemical castration to "test drive" a

phisical one. In those accounts many say that

sexuality (what drive, emotions, desire NOT

necessarily the ability to become errect)

were totally destroyed by chemicals like

Androcour. But that after PHISICAL castration

some "desire" returned.

The explanation for this is that the chemicals

BLOCK testosterone receptors, totally shutting

down those parts of the body/brain that are

triggered by T. While PHISICAL removal of the

testicles drastically reduces the amount of

testosterone, but that the little that is produced

by other parts of the body (adreanals) is able

to produce response/desire.

The theory sounds reasonable, women don't have

testicles but do have a small amount of Testosterone and consequently have a healthy

desire for intamacy.

Yes, you are correct. While on chemical castration, *T* receptors are blocked, so there is very little testosterone in the system affecting the receptors. The chemically castrated male, once physically castrated and no longer taking andi-androgens, would start to produce a small amount of *T* once again (something like 95% of all *T* production is eliminated by physical castration). However, for the transsexual, once physical castration is done, (be it an orchectomy or SRS) the results are similar, with the exception that one would not have to take the anti-androgen and a reduced intake of estrogens would follow. I have read several accounts where some natal females (and some TS women) have actually been given testosterone to improve sexual desire. So it seems that the 5% of the *T* that is left, may or may not be able to kick-start the libido.

aria_tg (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:19 pm Why do I ask???

well... on estro. I feel just about right...

I am very happy with the very reduced drive

and zero spontaneous errections.

I desire to go further and the next logical step

would be Androcur(sp?)

but is that like "the real thing" or not????

Thanks

Aria

Aria_tg@hotmail.com

One thing that I might ask, Aria, are you getting feminizing results from the amouts of estrogen you are taking? If not, are you concerned that the anti-andogen will make an improvement? I would tend to believe that chemical castration is the same, if not very close to the same, as being physically castrated.

BTW, I too "LOVE" the feeling of being on female HRT, it's the best thing I have ever done for myself!:D

Huggs

Christina (imported) wrote: Thu May 01, 2003 4:18 pm Hello again,

First of all I would like to thank everyone that voted in the poll and gave their reply. It seems that the majority of voters have not gone the chemical route before actual physical castration. I am hoping that everyone that "did not" have some sort of chemical intervention beforhand, knew what was to be expected and were happy with their desicions afterwards.

I had several phone talks with Dr. Spector and Jeff Adams before the operation, so, yes, I had a good idea of what was going to happen. And I am indeed happy with my decision.

Hello again,

Christina (imported) wrote: Thu May 01, 2003 4:18 pm To Aria,

If you are on an "estrogen only" regiment, I would suggest that you are indeed chemically castrated, depending on the dose that you are taking. Estrogen alone can and will have an anti-androgen effect if the dose is high enough. Also, I was on an estrogen only regiment for several months, after some blood work, my doctor slowly increased the doses and added anti-andorgens (spironolactone) to put my hormonal levels into the female ranges. I am also nearing the 3 year mark for being on HRT, in August (although it hadn't been consistent before I started seeing the doctors 14 months ago).

Good questions Christina and I am happy to answer..

I have been on Estrogen only for about three years at first premarin and now estrace 4mg/d.

The reasons for the questions are...

I am extreemly happy with the small amount of

sexual desire that I have now. Me and my wife

are now very compatable in that matter and

she agrees that in that respet things are just fine now.

And yes... I desire to take things a bit further

but dont necessarily want to destroy intamacy

alltogether. I am afraid that anti androgens

(particluarly CA) might just do that.

But, that phisical castration may leave the

small amount of sexuality that I still have.

Christina (imported) wrote: Thu May 01, 2003 4:18 pm Yes, you are correct. While on chemical castration, *T* receptors are blocked, so there is very little testosterone in the system affecting the receptors. The chemically castrated male, once physically castrated and no longer taking andi-androgens, would start to produce a small amount of *T* once again (something like 95% of all *T* production is eliminated by physical castration). However, for the transsexual, once physical castration is done, (be it an orchectomy or SRS) the results are similar, with the exception that one would not have to take the anti-androgen and a reduced intake of estrogens would follow. I have read several accounts where some natal females (and some TS women) have actually been given testosterone to improve sexual desire. So it seems that the 5% of the *T* that is left, may or may not be able to kick-start the libido.

exactly my point... and the genisis of my question to riverwind.... We read about/ hear about, even read about in respected medical journals... but

Riverwind is (as you point out) one of the few hear who chose chemical first and then Phisical.

I thought that his experiance would be helpful.

Christina (imported) wrote: Thu May 01, 2003 4:18 pm One thing that I might ask, Aria, are you getting feminizing results from the amouts of estrogen you are taking? If not, are you concerned that the anti-andogen will make an improvement? I would tend to believe that chemical castration is the same, if not very close to the same, as being physically castrated.

I am getting fair results..

I find that if I take a break from estro on occation, that will sometimes get things moving again. I am currently wondering that if I remove the T production, then I could "feel" mentally and emotionaly as good as I do now... on lower doses of estrogen.

Increased development rate is secondary (though welcome.)

I suppose the point is to try to make myself cofortable with my body with as little intervetion from drugs.

SO.. back to the original question...

Would a try at chemical castration correctly mimic the effect of phiscal castration in terms of

sexuality, intamacy, desire? Or, would chemical

destroy all of that.

It is said here often that with spiro you can

"try before you buy" but on the other hand, as we said above, chemical may be a bit different??

Christina (imported) wrote: Thu May 01, 2003 4:18 pm BTW, I too "LOVE" the feeling of being on female HRT, it's the best thing I have ever done for myself!:D

Huggs

ME TOO!!!!

[br]Aria[br]

Aria_tg@hotmail.com