Let me just repeat the main point that the Archive doesn't promote any type of castration. It is primarily a story archive and related community.

That being said, again, there's no pro-Spector/Kimmel conspiracy.

Neither Paolo or I have ever met, talked to, seen, or in any way shape of form whatsoever had any contact with him whatsoever. I believe the same to be true of talula as well, although he can certainly speak for himself.

If people want information on how to get themselves castrated, and the people who have gone to Spector/Kimmel are pleased with their results, then I assume that's why they post information about them. Same as when people are shopping for a new car I tell them how much I like mine and where I got it.

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Ok?

:tongueout

Bboy wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:49 am I don't want the Eunuch Archive on the 6 o'clock news because one of our members did something stupid they read on the boards here.

Some months ago, I watched a Real Player clip of this, streaming, and I didn't know how to save it or I would have. This was a news story that ran on a Canadian station about a man who went to a cutter that he met online, and things went wrong. Somehow, the media got a hold of the story.

So, in fact, this has already happened.

In the video clip, a shot of the index page of the Archive was even used, (very clearly) and the narrator referred to it as "the dark underbelly of the Internet" or something like that.

Lovely.

One can't help but to wonder how closely sites this are being watched now.

Another close call was discussed at http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthr ... n+go+wrong in where a private cutter was used and things went wrong. The police were involved, and several news stories were printed about it. This one rattled a LOT of people, I don't mind saying.

I also don't have the link handy, but I believe I read about a TS girl named Tammy who attempted to castrate her husband and he wound up dead as well.

Bboy is also correct in his thoughts that those who are satisfied by having used the services of Spector and/or Kimmell post out of their desire to share. They are satisfied customers, for the most part, and wish to have others avoid the risk factor of the "back alley cutter" which is analogous to the abortionists of days gone by. Certainly there are those are NOT happy, usually with Dr. Spector before he retired, and they have the right to sound off as well - as long as they don't go a slandering crusade over a multitude of posts about it.

Word of mouth, in the retail area, is a powerful thing. Certainly Kimmell qualifies as a retailer of sorts.

As for posting and being made to feel stupid, well, as to that I can only say that this is the last thing that Bboy would do to a member. I've read the posts a number of times, and Boots, you are taking it wrong. Please trust me on that one. I know Bboy better than most do. (I even know what his tongue looks like, so nyah nyah nyah ... but I'm not one to kiss and tell!) :tongueout

Now, if you feel the need to be called stupid, or perhaps smacked upside the head, then just ask. We'll see what we can do about it.

There are risks involved in any type of body modification. Even something as simple as a single piercing can go bad, and something as major as castration, well, that goes without saying. If you don't believe that, I could dig up and scan a picture of one of the boys when his new earring went south on him. It wasn't pretty!

Cutters are more than welcome to advertise, but the point is, it's very risky for them. Abortionists of days gone by didn't exactly run radio ads! Meeting up with a cutter, as anyone who has tried can tell you, is NOT easy. And for good reason. Castrations at the dining room table aren't exactly legal.

Hopefully, if nothing else, the Archive serves as an outlet for a rather unique community that the medical profession at large fails to acknowledge. It may be YOUR body, but as cases have shown in the past on related issues, you certainly don't have FULL rights to do with it as you please. You really don't even have the right to say "this is enough" and die with some dignity.

her name was Tammy Feldbaum and one of the articles is at this link:

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_north ... tammy2.asp

and here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate ... baump4.asp

and here:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_19726.html

She still maintains that she didn't do anything wrong. But if she and her husband hadn't attempted a castration, he would still be alive. That's the legal judgement, not my opinion.

Dave

I will change my signoff and remove the reference to Dr Kimmel and his phone number and fax. If anybody wants to know they can email me. In the future I will only make reference that I used a doctor to be castrated.

Bring on the elastrator, hell I have used it too.

River

Riverwind,

I don't think that's necessary. Please restore your sig to the way you want it.

B

Well i guess i mite as well put my 2 cents in this post .I think one of the things that a new member probley dosnt understand about this place is we care about one another here .And we certianly dont want to see anyone hert because we gave unsafe advice.We even care when one of our members are sick or has surgery.So when we give advice that it is better to be safe than sorry we do it because we care about you.Now on the other hand if wou insest on doing somthing unsafe and you land in the doctors office we will be here to help you through your exrerance.I was telling my wife the other day that i can tell the people on the archive about any of my problems and thay seem to understand .Iknow if i tried to tell my friends in the comunity about my need for castration it would not go over very good.But i can tell my friends here anything and i know thay will be thair to help me so i encurage all the new members to tell us your problems or your fantices we are a friendly place and we love to help.May God bless you.

Well now...

It seem this thread has perked up a few responses.

Riverwind,

You should keep your signature the way it was.

As to why the forum had been quiet, or attracted so few posters, all I can answer for is myself.

I mean no offense, or to cast any aspersions...

But the times I've checked out the board I don't find threads that particularly interest me, nor (for the most part) the people who I would most want to respond to one I might start.

I realize that I'm a minority here. I'm a straight guy who is only interested in the fantasy aspect. I am particularly interested in the female point of view of the turn on's and techniques of play. So the discussions of actual castration technique and the resources for actually getting this done hold no particular interest for me. There are other topics of little interest, but I think my point is made that for my personal interests it is hard to find a good thread. That's just the way it is.

Worse still, there probably have been threads that I would have found interesting, but with so many sub boards and threads to sort through I probably missed them.

I know these comments may seem paradoxical - on the one hand too many topics and on the other not enough of the "right" ones.

This thread has moved off at a right angle from where it started: Why aren’t there more of us posting interesting comments.

Before getting to that, though, I want to agree with Bboy, Christina, and Sag111 (in proper alphabetical order). This site is not a paid advertisement for Spector/Kimmel. We ARE concerned about the health and safety of everyone who joins us here. Play safe! Beware of amateurs!

That said, what we really need are some of our number to ask provocative questions that get a variety of responses. There are some fascinating issues which we can (and should) discuss with regard to castration and eunuchs. I’ve tried to do my part in providing grist for our collective mills.

I’ll try to think of another good ethical issue to bring up. Since “The Evangelical Church of the Lambs of Christ” thread, asking the ethical question of whether or not it could ever be ethical to castrate a child for other than dire medical necessity, disappeared when the last Bulletin Board system crashed and burned, I may try a revised version of it. It generated a great deal of both heat and light (but no flames).

It got several people actively involved in thinking through and defending their points of view.

Hopefully, someone else is already working on some great topics that will get us involved.

safe procedures--or at least proper medical care. The medical information on this site is the most interesting part of the board because it seems the most real. :tongueout

Of course, fantasies are also great. I don't expect to realise all of mine, but dream do sometimes come true.