...in times past Barbers used to do limited surgeries when they ran out of haircuts.

YOU know, it was mole removals and so forth. The point is that perhaps those laws if they still exist can be used as a defense, since technically any "surgery" that does not disturb a body cavity is "minor.",,,and maybe not even true "surgery"

Practicing medicne could otherwise be construed as "toenail clipping" and the like. Maybe Todd should have had a Barber's license for California.

I really believe that somebody is over the edge with this. I really don't agree with Todd's premise, (Promise?) but anyway, if somebody wants it cut off then...well, maybe they should be able to have it cut off.

Ahhhh. It is so much bull shit, IEunuch.

Otherwise, the new rhyme could be "...he cut a clit, who gives a shit?"

A-1

Actually A-1,

Barbers were the original surgeons and the surgery they performed was only limited by their imaginations.

There is still a hangover of this history in the UK where consultant surgeons are referred to as 'Mister' rather than 'Doctor'. In the early 19th century, the Physicians felt rather superior to the barber/surgeons and refused to allow them to be called Doctor and the tradition has remained.

Mind you, I would be a bit wary of asking a consultant surgeon for a haircut - you never know where he might operate.

LOL

Someone has gone after the gifted Todd. It seems that he may soon face charges of Practicing Medicine Without a License and something like Conspiring to Cause a Death. Pretty serious business. Those who want to modify their bodies and those of us who value free expression may need to chip in.

Blaise (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2002 7:49 pm Someone has gone after the gifted Todd. It seems that he may soon face charges of Practicing Medicine Without a License and something like Conspiring to Cause a Death. Pretty serious business. Those who want to modify their bodies and those of us who value free expression may need to chip in.

I wonder if there will be many satisfied clients of Todd who will speak favorably for him in court. After all, he has provided them with a service that is hard to get anywhere else, and some of them probably really wanted it.

medical doctors have for years gotten the anatomy of the clitoris wrong. Even Masters and Johnson got it wrong. Todd may know more than many medical people.

It is obvious that Todd pulled the covers over many of your eyes.

I chatted with one of his "willing victims" a couple years ago and she said he lied to her about his experience. It wasn't until he had already started the procedure that she found out. She said the whole experience was devesting for her and she no longer trusted men.

How many of those he modified have you personally heard from? It is convenient for Todd that you only see and hear his side of the story. If he did butcher anyone they are probably too embarrassed to step forward and tell the police.

Even Shannon told me once he questioned if one of the young women really consented to what he did. Shannon has been blinded by the cutting edge and sensational.

Todd talks a good line and few know enough to know he actually knows very little. Anyone who has watched a medical procedure on TV knew Todd did not know good surgical procedures when you looked at his pictures. If you mentioned this, he simply stated it was unnecessary.

I have witnessed him tell people that a picture showing a MtF transsexual's genitals and that of an intersexed child were that of circumcised women and he is an expert on female anatomy?

If anyone tried to present facts on a subject he would sit there endlessly telling everyone how wrong you were. Is it any wonder his victims are being described as in their twenties, perhaps to young to know any better?

I would classify Todd as a sexual predator and I only wish he had been stopped sooner. I am not the only one who believes this. Shannon is usually just quick to censor anyone who says otherwise.

I do not object to Robyn, and others, having her genitals removed, I only believe Todd should not have been the one to do it.

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FreeAtLast (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2003 7:31 pm Even Shannon told me once he questioned if one of the young women really consented to what he did. Shannon has been blinded by the cutting edge and sensational.

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Shannon Larratt wrote on Todd Bertrang:

"Todd Bertrang

There are a number of things I should address this month and Todd is the first I'll talk about. Lately I'm been getting some flak about showcasing some of Todd's work on BME because of allogations that he's unsterile, manipulative, etc. It seems like the majority of the complaints are focused on his personality (arrogant, sleazy, etc.) when it comes down to it. I'm not taking anyone off of BME because they're a dislikeable person. As far as the professional issues I need to see some evidence of it. I've talked to a number of Todd's clients, and all that have come to me have said positive things about his work. The only people who have said negative things are repeating it second- or third-hand. All I can recommend, with any piercer is that you do your research and don't get pierced just because you saw a couple of pictures. " (http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/981001.html)

Tp hear Todd Bertrang's victims speak, check out the following links:

http://www.bmezine.com/pierce/08-nipple ... ptodd.html

http://www.bmezine.com/pierce/10-female ... gpirc.html

Leon (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:17 am http://www.bmezine.com/extreme/surgical ... myhoo.html

http://www.bmezine.com/extreme/surgical/

sub/A10101/exttheme.html

Leon (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:17 am http://www.bmezine.com/extreme/surgical/

tongue/990815/exttngbs.html

Leon (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:17 am http://www.bmezine.com/extreme/surgical/

malecirc/981101/strip.html

Victims hey? Whatever.

All the best,

Leon

Okay lets quote one of your references:

"I got talking to Todd Bertrang on BME chat about other female genital piercings. I was interested in getting a triangle and mentioned my hood piercing. He told me that many women lose sensitivity from the constant rubbing of the jewelry and I could consider getting my hood slit or even removed. "

It was often Todd himself who was bringing the subject of genital cutting up and making statements he had no proof to back up. He would sit there and wait for young women to log on then immediately try to convince them he knew what was best for them. He was stating things as fact when they were actually just his twisted fantasies. Where is all this proof he had that women would enjoy sex more without a hood or clitoris? In the beginning, he claimed to have done these procedures but conveniently never had any proof.

My bet is people would have healed just as well without all his fancy potions and lotions. They just covered up for his actual lack of knowledge. Lets throw a bunch of glitz and glamour on it so one knows it is fertilizer.

A request: please don't quote someone, by name, in an admission to a possibly prosecutable action.

I'm very uncomfortable reading, passed along third-hand, "

FreeAtLast (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2003 7:31 pm Even Shannon told me once he questioned if one of the young women really consented to what he did.

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I am not calling into question whether you've faithfully passed along what was said - it's not part of what I'm saying.

I'm just uncomfortable with that, here, now. It sets up the other person, in this case that's Shannon, unnecessarily.