I'm not sure what the appeal of a subscapular orchiectomy is for prostate cancer treatment instead of just removal of the nuts. If your castrated without testosterone, you probably won't feel much like showing ur balls to anyone anyway. I also wonder how they feel -- seems like they would feel squishy and soft if hollowed out like that. I guess there are some men out there that would prefer to see something in there ballsac even though they are castrated with no testosterone.

Yes it is. That's why I'm quitting testosterone injections. 16 days so far and looking forward to it quickly fading away.

By the time I recovered from complete nullification surgery (pain recovery that is) I was so relieved to be without the pain I didn't even notice feelings of testosterone or lack of for quite some time. My life (I was sailing on the high seas) pretty much continued as usual until after a year and a half or so. Perhaps that's just how long it took for the testosterone left in my body to finally run out. Can't really answer that since I'm not a medical professional nor did I have access to testing hormonal levels. But one thing I will say is that after that time I did begin to notice affects on my body from lack of hormonal production. The most notable of those were a diminishing of my stamina and energy levels as well as some strength. Since I was in need of those attributes to continue my high energy consumption with the rigors of sailing the boat and certainly did NOT have a desire to replace what I had taken extraordinary steps to eliminate I used estrogen intake in its place. Those attributes that had begun diminishing returned so I continued with the estrogen. It's safe to say looking back that I over did it. And in fact abused it to the point of what you see with me today. All I'm saying is you really should get medical advice on reducing and/or eliminating all hormone input. Make no mistake, I'm not complaining in any way over my personal results. Now some 26 years later I am very happy with who/what I am. Not sure if one would call me a eunuch or whatever. I am simply me and enjoying every moment of my life and the experiences it gives me.

JockItch (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:42 am I'm not sure what the appeal of a subscapular orchiectomy is for prostate cancer treatment instead of just removal of the nuts. If your castrated without testosterone, you probably won't feel much like showing ur balls to anyone anyway. I also wonder how they feel -- seems like they would feel squishy and soft if hollowed out like that. I guess there are some men out there that would prefer to see something in there ballsac even though they are castrated with no testosterone.

My guess is that you are right. The empty shells of balls likely are soft and flexible. Not firm and full to the touch. And you d think they would tend to collapse in over time and shrink up with nothing inside to maintain their full shape.

I m sure their desire is to remain looking like they still have balls in their sack in front of their friends, co workers, sons, brothers, and other males in locker rooms and showers. Even shrunken up and hollowed out, they can say that they still have their original balls hanging in the bags. They know its only cosmetics, and they probably pull up tight with no weight left inside them and their nut muscles used to holding more weight to get them to hang low. But its a good option for the men who fear losing their balls or having an empty scrotum.

Anyone playing with those hollow balls would get a shock discovering they are lightweight and hollow. Plus, you d think they might be prone to pain after the brutality of hollowing out both balls core contents and what that must do to the nerves left in the shell and nerves in the spermatic cords. Like live electric wires cut off and hanging exposed unless the dr cauterizes the hollow insides or the spermatic cords.

Begoneboy (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:36 am By the time I recovered from complete nullification surgery (pain recovery that is) I was so relieved to be without the pain I didn't even notice feelings of testosterone or lack of for quite some time. My life (I was sailing on the high seas) pretty much continued as usual until after a year and a half or so. Perhaps that's just how long it took for the testosterone left in my body to finally run out. Can't really answer that since I'm not a medical professional nor did I have access to testing hormonal levels. But one thing I will say is that after that time I did begin to notice affects on my body from lack of hormonal production. The most notable of those were a diminishing of my stamina and energy levels as well as some strength. Since I was in need of those attributes to continue my high energy consumption with the rigors of sailing the boat and certainly did NOT have a desire to replace what I had taken extraordinary steps to eliminate I used estrogen intake in its place. Those attributes that had begun diminishing returned so I continued with the estrogen. It's safe to say looking back that I over did it. And in fact abused it to the point of what you see with me today. All I'm saying is you really should get medical advice on reducing and/or eliminating all hormone input. Make no mistake, I'm not complaining in any way over my personal results. Now some 26 years later I am very happy with who/what I am. Not sure if one would call me a eunuch or whatever. I am simply me and enjoying every moment of my life and the experiences it gives me.

I m guessing your sailboat does not have many mirrors, and that traveling and living alone, you noticed your castration changes less than most other men would as they occurred ? Lots of bluewater sailors are nudists to save on laundry water needs and storage space. How was your physical and mental evolution after your castration ?

Well after 15 days of taking a daily 50mg androcur tablet my free testosterone via a saliva test is 20 pg/ml. The previous tests in the period between taking androcur have been in the 170 pg/ml range. Before ever trying androcur the levels were in the 200+ range, but they have never recovered to that since being recorded at 29 pg/ml in August 2018 after my first try of androcur in June

2018.

So am I officially a eunuch at the moment with 20 pg/ml? I am always a little unsure because I use saliva tests with pg/ml results rather than blood with ng/dl

Cseriess (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:18 am Well after 15 days of taking a daily 50mg androcur tablet my free testosterone via a saliva test is 20 pg/ml. The previous tests in the period between taking androcur have been in the 170 pg/ml range. Before ever trying androcur the levels were in the 200+ range, but they have never recovered to that since being recorded at 29 pg/ml in August 2018 after my first try of androcur in June

2018.

So am I officially a eunuch at the moment with 20 pg/ml? I am always a little unsure because I use saliva tests with pg/ml results rather than blood with ng/dl

I don't believe that being a eunuch has anything to do with how much T you have in your system. In olden days there were no tests for it. But there were eunuchs. I say that if you're on something to knock out your T or had your testicles removed, then you are a eunuch.

Probably and congratulation! Generally many take 100 mg of Androcur until the desired Testosterone level is reached and then reduce the dosage to 50 mg daily. After another week or two I would expect your testosterone to drop further.

May I ask what other side effects toy have noticed as of today?

Chesleyt (imported) wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 5:27 pm Doctors don't offer surgical castration for prostate cancer patients now the preferred method is chemical castration. I know this because a personal friend has had his prostate removed and the cancer is back the doctor started him on chemical castration and it's working, when my friend asked to be surgically castrated the physician flayed him for asking and said that they don't do that anymore. The friend is being treated at the main campus of Cleveland Clinic, Ohio USA

Sorry to be so long in getting back to this, but some prostate cancer patients still receive orchiectomies, rather than chemical castration. While they are rare in North America, they are much more common in Europe. A study of the health consequences of surgical vs. chemical castration based on the entire set of Danish PCa patients showed that, of those castrated, about one-quarter were surgical and three-quarters were chemical. One of the findings was that chemical castration was correlated with a much higher rate of heart attacks and strokes and surgical was not.

A major web site for prostate cancer patients in North America that I sometimes check frequently talks about castration (using exactly that term) and there have been debates about chemical vs. surgical. I have yet to see the word "eunuch" used, however. One counselor whom I know well has commented that those PCa patients who have surgical castration tend to be happier in the long run than those on chemical. It's a one time procedure, not something that reminds them of their cancer at regular intervals when they need another injection.

GordonGG (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:27 am I don't believe that being a eunuch has anything to do with how much T you have in your system. In olden days there were no tests for it. But there were eunuchs. I say that if you're on something to knock out your T or had your testicles removed, then you are a eunuch.

That is the definition of a "eunuch." Some

JesusA (imported) wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 12:50 pm one who was born with testicles, whose testicles have been removed

or made non-functional in place. Hormone replacement, whether T or E,

JesusA (imported) wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 12:50 pm is not part of the definition.

Too many, though, think of the word "eunuch" as pejorative. We just had an article rejected by an academic journal over use of the term. We used data gathered from the "Eunuch Archive" and two of the three reviewers recommended rejection because of use of the word.

JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:42 am That is the definition of a "eunuch." Some

JesusA (imported) wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 12:50 pm one who was born with

JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:42 am testicles, whose testicles have been removed

or made non-func

tional in place. Hormone repla

JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:42 am cement, whether T or E,

JesusA (imported) wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 12:50 pm is not part of the definition.

Too many, though, think of the word "eunuch" as pejorative. We just had an article rejected by an academic journal over use of the term. We used data gathere

d from the "Eunuch Archive" and two of the three reviewers recommended rejection because of use of the word.

Proof that so many people wrongly attribute negative meanings to words that they don t even understand.

What do those reviewers prefer to call men with no testicles or non functioning testicles ? In terms that most people would immediately recognise and understand ? Using unused, not understood, and unrecognised words hampers communication.

As with livestock and animals, the males were easy to intentionally castrate long ago with little medical technology. Females anatomically were extremely difficult to neuter by removing their internal ovaries. Past cultures had many names for castrated males and very few for neutered females. An empty male scrotum is easy to see and verify. Past civilizations had no way to see or confirm missing ovaries.

The word eunuch has a long history for men only and simply because our testicles hang so vulnerably outside our bodies. Making accidental castrations far more common in men than in females, whose internal ovaries are rarely being damaged or removed by accidents and injuries. Intentional castrations were carried out very simply and easily on men because of the easy access to remove or destroy our obvious testicles. Removing ovaries was far beyond past culture s technology without being fatal for the females.

It is not sexism, its simple human anatomy and access to both sexes gonads based on technology. As soon as hysterectomies became easily available, females joined males in getting their gonads removed more often than in any past cultures. The same is true for intentional sterilization surgery for males and females. No one has bothered to invent a new word for females without gonads. And females naturally experience menopause and infertility at much younger ages than most males equivalent loss of gonad functions due to aging.

Eunuch seems to be exclusively reserved for human males only. Not for animals or females. It just has a longer history of use and public understanding than newer medical terms for castrated males. There should be nothing negative about using the word eunuch. No more than using terms such as steer, gelding, ox, and other commonly used terms for castrated male animals.

Its too bad those reviewers did not understand history and how the term eunuch developed and was actually used.