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Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:34 pm
by rogerwpbfl (imported)
JesusA (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:43 pm A journalistic article, but with a link to the (free) medical article at the end:

Should Men Be Worried About Coronavirus Because of Their Testicles?

Studies show why men may be more susceptible to COVID-19 and how the virus may leave those who survive infertile

Ruth Schuster (https://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/WRITER-1.4968353)

Haaretz.com

April 23, 2020

Men have a higher mortality rate than women from COVID-19, studies from different countries have consistently shown. Moreover, men remain infectious for longer than women, other studies have amply demonstrated. But why are men more at risk?

Because men were slower to clear the virus from their bodies than women. That may be because the virus could be hiding in their testicles, suggests a new study co-written by researchers of the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York and
InkedFutureNullo (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:38 am th
JesusA (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:43 pm e Kasturba Hospital for Infectious Diseases in Mumbai,
India. The paper, published (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 66v1?rss=1) in MedRxiv, has not been peer-reviewed yet.

Not every country has kept statistics on male/female deaths from COVID-19, the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, known to humankind since about November 2019. But among those that have, including Italy and China, the death rate (https://theconversation.com/why-do-more ... -136038%20) for males is roughly double or more than that of females. In Wuhan, the original epicenter of the virus, men accounted for almost 73 percent
of the deaths ascribed to C
JesusA (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:43 pm OVID-19. (By the way, COVID-19 means “coronavirus disease 2019,” and not the 19th coronavirus we know).

Various explanations have been suggested for the higher mortality rate of men. One proposes that men are more prone to risk-taking behavior, so they are more likely to indulge in counter-survivalist activities, such as smoking and (in the age of coronavirus) group gatherings. But a Chinese study suggests that the answer does not lie in the demon tobacco: Half of Chinese men smoke but smokers comprised (http://https:/www.thelancet.com/journal ... X/fulltext) only somewhere between 1.4 to 12.6 percent of the male deaths , and similar results were found in New York, according to Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/anitabarth ... 753dd4574d).

Another suggestion is that women have generally stronger and more efficient immune systems than men, which on the downside renders women more prone to auto-immune disease.

All this could be spot-on and contribute to the higher male mortality rate from COVID-19. But it wouldn’t explain why men clear SARS-CoV-2 from their bodies more slowly than women.

Checking 68 symptomatic subjects, 40 men and 20 women, the joint Amercian-Indian paper found an average of a two-day delay for symptomatic males to produce “clean” swab-test results compared with symptomatic females.

“Furthermore, examination of 3 families with both male and female patients followed serially, demonstrated that female members of the same household cleared the SARS-CoV-2 infection earlier in each family,” the team wrote.

Where the coronavirus docks

How might the testicles be involved? To infect a cell, a coronavirus has to “dock” onto a specific protein on the target cell wall, called an ACE2 receptor – which stands for angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. Cell types with copious levels of ACE2 on their surfaces would theoretically be most susceptible to infection. Which cells copiously produce ACE2 receptor proteins? Lungs and kidneys (the renal proximal tubule; COVID-19 is also associated with kidney trouble in severe cases) – and certain testicular tissue.

Specifically, a separate paper published (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41585-020-0319-7) in Nature on Monday detailed that ACE2 is highly expressed in the seminiferous ducts of testis, adult Leydig cells (which produce hormones and are adjacent to those ducts) and in the prostate.

In the kidneys, the receptor is highly expressed in the epithelial cells of the renal tubule, which probably explains why some people with severe cases of COVID-19 have been developing kidney damage.

Conversely, ovaries do not express much ACE2, the Bronx-Mumbai study explains.

So it seems plausible that men are clearing the virus more slowly than women because they have an extra reservoir that women do not possess. It must be stressed that this has not been proven. But it is consistent with this hypothesis that gonadal loss-of-function has been reporte
d in SARS-CoV-2 patients, indicating damag
JesusA (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:43 pm e to testicular cells – especially the ones producing hormones – during infection.

On exactly the same grounds – testicular and nephritic susceptibility to coronavirus – a comment published (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41585-020-0319-7)in Nature Reviews, Urology this week urges monitoring the urogenital tract of COVID-19 patients.

“Most patients with severe COVID-19 present with pneumonia-related symptoms, but some patients with severe disease could develop serious urinary complications including acute kidney injury,” writes Shangqian Wang, Xiang Zhou, Tongtong Zhang and Zengjun Wang from the First Affiliated Hospital of Nanjing Medical University.

“Furthermore, male reproductive systems are vulnerable to infection; dramatic changes in sex hormones in patients with COVID-19 have been observed, suggesting gonadal function impairment,” the team writes.Which is a euphemism for infertility.

The changes in the sex hormones are a side effect of inflammation resulting from the immune system fighting the virus, the paper explains: “Inflammatory cytokines that are locally or systematically produced by these cells can activate the autoimmune response, destroying the seminiferous epithelium, which leads to autoimmune orchitis [inflammation of the testicles].”

The team notes that SARS, a different coronavirus, could and did attack the testicles, inducing orchitis. The SARS virus was discovered in the outer cells of testicular seminiferous tubules and Leydig cells, which produce testosterone.

Now, SARS-CoV-2 isn’t the same as SARS-CoV. But both viruses have receptors in the testicles. So while COVID-19 chiefly attacks the respiratory system, doctors should watch out for urogenital complications, the team urges.

They also have a sobering word of advice for men who contracted COVID-19, recovered, and want children: “After recovery from COVID-19, young men who are interested in having children should receive a consultation regarding their fertility.”

This seems to be one thing that China already knew. As early as mid-March, China Daily was warning (https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/ ... 7f4b1.html) men who recovered from COVID-19 to have their fertility tested. (It’s worth mentioning that a steady diet (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... tern-junk/) of junk food or keeping a smartphone (https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-hea ... -1.5401638) next to boys may have similar effects.)

The authors of the study published (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 66v1?rss=1) in MedRxiv are Aditi Shastri, Justin Wheat, Kith Pradhan, Mendel Goldfinger, Noah Kornblum, Ulrich Steidl, and Amit Verma from the Albert Einstein Coll
ege of Medicine with Sachee Agrawal, Nirjhar Chaterjee and Aditi’s mother Jayanthi Shast
JesusA (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:43 pm ri from
InkedFutureNullo (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:38 am the Kasturba Hospital for Infectious Diseases in Mumbai.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.pre ... navirus-be
cause-of-their-testicles-1.8793492

The MedRxiv article:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf

So all those spring breakers that disregarded the warnings and partied on the beaches may have just taken themselves out of the gene pool? LOLOL

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:06 am
by Supranatural (imported)
JesusA (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:43 pm They also have a sobering word of advice for men who contracted COVID-19, recovered, and want children: “After recovery from COVID-19, young men who are interested in having children should receive a consultation regarding their fertility.


This doesn't help China's already lowering Total Fertility Rate/Birth Rate. Though, it doesn't help ours in the Western world either. I am curious as to what long lasting effect it has on such numbers.

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:08 am
by Supranatural (imported)
erikboy (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:30 am There are disadvantages of eunuchs as well, we should be aware that low T increases risk of aterosclerosis and diabetes. Altgough this can be reduced with more physical activity. So a physicalky active eunuch should have longest lifespan.

This reminds me that I need to try to get some exercise done, despite these trying times.

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:57 am
by cutnbulls2ox (imported)
rogerwpbfl (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:34 pm So all those spring breakers that disregarded the warnings and partied on the beaches may have just taken themselves out of the gene pool? LOLOL

Now you can be a sperm donor for all those newly infertile men. There will be more demand than ever for fertile young men to step forward to help out their sterilized countrymen.

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:09 am
by evolve (imported)
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:30 pm Shifting back to the original topic of this thread:

All of the regulars here are aware that eunuchs castrated before puberty lived an average of 15 years longer than comparable uncastrated men. The difference in life expectancy decreases with increasing age of castration, with those castrated after 40 only gaining an average of about 4 years. While there can be no controlled experiment to study the issue, there has been medical speculation about the reasons and one that keeps coming up in the literature is that lower testosterone reduces inflammation and increases resistance to infection. The hijra in India seem to have some resistance to TB, which may be a result of their castration. There was even at least one experiment where men who had experienced serious physical injury were put on temporary chemical castration to see if it would improve healing. It did, however the psychological trauma of even temporary castration was so great that the experiment was not continued. Some now think that the
“cytokine storm”
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:30 pm caused by some viruses, in which the body’s immune system overreacts is a significant cause of death for Covid-19 patients. To what extent does lower testosterone help to prevent it? The question is already being asked of prostate cancer patients who are on
“androgen deprivation therapy”
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:30 pm (castration, either chemical or surgical).

This is yet another reason I’m glad and thankful I got my orchiectomy before the shutdown- I had the procedure March 7th(3 days before Michigan’s first reported COVID case) - I think I’m the last client Dr. Arnkoff had.

My one and only regret is that I didn’t have this done years sooner. However, it’s a stroke of luck I that I made it by the skin of my teeth in getting this done before the shutdown/stay at home order started.

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:49 am
by rogerwpbfl (imported)
cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:57 am Now you can be a sperm donor for all those newly infertile men. There will be more demand than ever for fertile young men to step forward to help out their sterilized countrymen.

Can you get paid for that?

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:09 am
by cutnbulls2ox (imported)
Can you get paid for that?

Yes, you can look up different sperm banks online to call and ask how much they pay. Most US sperm banks pay $100 to $150 per ejaculation. Some men can earn as much as $250 per ejaculation. It depends on how many people want each man s sperm.

Pay also varies per man and his number of sperm in each ejaculation. Each ejaclation is divided into straws of enough sperm for one artificial insemination. Some men can fill more straws per ejaculation than other men. Each straw is sold separately. The more straws per ejaculation, the more a man is paid per ejaculation.

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:24 am
by cutnbulls2ox (imported)
If you put a photo or video of your Hollywood handsome face and smile, your athlete s body and Ranger and your two sperm factories in your donor profile, you can increase demand for your sperm and increase your pay. A young man like you has excellent sperm health and infertile men are less threatened by a young buck taking their place than men their own ages. Highlight Ranger to give their sons and grandsons your horse genetics to increase the demand for your semen. Check into it.

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:42 pm
by rogerwpbfl (imported)
cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:09 am Yes, you can look up different sperm banks online to call and ask how much they pay. Most US sperm banks pay $100 to $150 per ejaculation. Some men can earn as much as $250 per ejaculation. It depends on how many people want each man s sperm.

Pay also varies per man and his number of sperm in each ejaculation. Each ejaclation is divided into straws of enough sperm for one artificial insemination. Some men can fill more straws per ejaculation than other men. Each straw is sold separately. The more straws per ejaculation, the more a man is paid per ejaculation.

I’ll bet I can fill 3-4 straws near daily. This sounds too good to be true!!

Re: Bet You Didn't Know Eunuchs Had a Pandemic Advantage!

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:49 pm
by JockItch (imported)
rogerwpbfl (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:42 pm ll bet I can fill 3-4 straws near daily. This sounds too good to be true!!

I think they make you wait 3 days just to make sure they're getting the good stuff. Then there is the issue of your offspring tracking you down decades later through DNA testing, etc., even though it is supposed to be anonymous.