cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:25 am Circumcision and especially completely removing the frenulum is a partial destruction of the man's sexual pleasures as an infant and without his agreement.

Go into any women s locker room and take a good, deep smell of how many females smell and tell me males need cleaner.

As a boy just entering puberty one of my classmates had a very tight, I guess you'd call it, radical circumcision. He also had a complete removal of the frenulum. As a result when "Craig" was erect the head of his penis had a sort of flared out look almost as if it was partially detached. Needless to say I was intrigued. Craig and I were very close. When I masturbated him I had to be careful and use shallow slow strokes since pulling too hard on the tight skin of is penis would cause him discomfort. But when Craig came his orgasms were incredibly intense. I don't think Craig's genital mods reduced his sexual pleasure. It's just that you had to go slow and be really gentle when you got him off.

As for going into the women's locker room, no thank you! I don't want to get arrested.

At what age your friend was circumcised?

If you are gay and circumcised, you must try docking (the covering of your glans with a foreskin) at least once in your lifetime. Only then you'll realize what you are missing.

Freddyjack (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:36 pm Experience has taught us that the young are not able to make rational choices about alcohol, voting, marriage, driving and a number of other decisions that they will make in adulthood, I dont understand how anyone could expect ALL kids to be able to make that type of decision at an early age, you say one kid can make the decision and the next can't. We as a society have chosen 18 to be the general age of consent for a reason, it could be 17 or 19 but w e chose 18 as the time our kids are capable and responsible enough to make decisions that are permanent and unchangeable bacause they (as a whole) will not have the tools to make the best choices for themselves. Yes there are exceptions to the rule, but you can't change the rule for all because the exception.

I believe going so far below the age of majority was beyond the original intention of this thread. Discussing such would be purely theoretical, as like you have implied, it would be unrealistic and impractical for society to make drastic changes to the age of majority anytime soon.

However, I question the validity of your blanket statement: "

Freddyjack (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:36 pm Experience has taught us that the young are not able to make rational choices about alcohol, voting, marriage, driving and a number of other decisions that they will make in adulthood...

" I wonder if any major studies have been done on the frequency of alcoholic inclinations, etc, for each generation. Even as a somewhat older millennial (ok, not really), I had unsupervised access to the internet as early as kindergarten and that gave me broad exposure to many aspects of society in general. Now, as an adult, I have heard about toddlers confidently swiping their way across tablets around the time they learn to walk. I really wonder how the prevalence of smartphones and similar contraptions, and a tendency for children to rely on such devices rather than their parents for education and sustenance, will affect young individuals' social, intellectual, and emotional development.

Personally, I had my outlook on alcohol set in stone long before I turned 18. "At the cost of damaging my liver, I can impair my ability to think? That's just a double whammy! You people are crazy." As for driving, I like to go 10 miles below the speed limit whenever I'm alone or people can pass me easily. My view on marriage was the most radical of all, even as a 12 to 13 year old; my decision to castrate myself should say enough about that. At 22, I feel exactly the same about marriage as I did 10 years ago.

Anyway, even moreso than the intricacies of internet exposure, I wonder what children could accomplish if they were shown the same trust and respect as any other human. Sincerity begets reciprocation. Treating someone like dirt will only encourage them to act according to your expectations, especially when they have no reasonable venue to vent or change things.

cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:28 pm I knew of a young boy, an only child, whose parents raised him as gender neutral or pro feminine since he was very young. They gave him female toys and encouraged female behaviors in him.

I ended up being his phy ed teacher in his 7th to 9th grades. I felt terrible for him. He hated sports, didn t get along with other males, preferred girls as his friends, and seemed maladjusted and unhappy all around. He hated me and hated phy ed. I think his parents recklessly experimented with their son for their own kicks and ruined his life.

Except for being raised "gender neutral" the kid sounds like me at that age. I was bookish, no lover of sports (I still am not), and got on better with girls, although I hung around with the guys -- mostly the other "nerds."

I don't know why it is that tomboys are fine and expected to grow out of it, but if a boy is treated or allowed to be feminine in the least degree, it "will ruin his life." I applaud modern parents who let their child be who they want to be, but think we are too quick to slap the label of "gender dysphoria" on boys who exhibit feminine preferences or behaviors -- like the Australian 12 year old whose parents were sneaking him female hormones but changed his mind. I believe most boys will grow out of it just as most girls do. And for those who don't...medical intervention can be targeted to those who really need it, not those whose parents think it's "kewl" to have a transgendered child.

racerboy (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:03 am Except for being raised "gender neutral" the kid sounds like me at that age. I was bookish, no lover of sports (I still am not), and got on better with girls, although I hung around with the guys -- mostly the other "nerds."

I don't know why it is that tomboys are fine and expected to grow out of it, but if a boy is treated or allowed to be feminine in the least degree, it "will ruin his life." I applaud modern parents who let their child be who they want to be, but think we are too quick to slap the label of "gender dysphoria" on boys who exhibit feminine preferences or behaviors -- like the Australian 12 year old whose parents were sneaking him female hormones but changed his mind. I believe most boys will grow out of it just as most girls do. And for those who don't...medical intervention can be targeted to those who really need it, not those whose parents think it's "kewl" to have a transgendered child.

I agree with most of what you say here. Lots of kids don t like sports and prefer books and other activities. That s normal and expected in any group of people.

If anything, sports have become obnoxiously overdone and overblown in the USA as a keep your kids off drugs sales pitch to parents and professional sports composed of thugs and criminals from owners to the players to many of the fans. The violent riots after some sports victories are proof of this.

I agree female tomboys playing hockey and football get praise while any male wanting to play volleyball or do girl s softball would be rejected and treated horribly. There is an inexcusable double standard in male and female sports and behaviors in the US.

This boy stood out from the normal range of boys because of his out of the usual range of behaviors, mainly his obvious discomfort in being a male and in being around other males. He seemed more anti social and more unhappy than most kids and more angry, even though anger is pretty normal in many teens. He wasn t at peace within himself, which isn t unusual in teens either. But he stood out as more unhappy and more ill at ease with himself than most teens. He might outgrow it. Many teens are extremely different from their adult personalities. Some people overcome their upbringings and some don t. This boy was physically and obviously hormonally pretty high in his masculine features physically which contrasted with his behavior even more than if he had been less physically masculine or of average masculinity physically.

Out of many thousands of kids I taught, this boy stood out enough for me to notice him and then later connect him to the much younger boy raised as gender neutral or pro feminine as I was trying to figure out what was going on with him. He was troubled enough that I was trying to figure out how to reach him and best deal with him in class and hopefully help him enjoy class, and enjoy being a male and enjoy being around other males. But I failed completely at those goals with him. Him not liking me was immaterial really. But more masculine boys and tomboy girls enjoyed my classes and the others were less enthused with my teaching style, which is understandable and normal for phy ed.

In most classes, around 15% of the students like the class and or the teacher, around 15% will dislike the class and or the teacher, and the rest fall somewhere in the middle of those attitudes and most teachers expect that as pretty normal. All the usual groups of kids fall into these ranges most of the time.

CircItaly (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:00 pm At what age your friend was circumcised?

Craig had just turned 12. As an American being uncut made him the odd man out and some kids thought he was a freak. Craig asked be cir'ed but I don't think he realized just how much skin the doctor was going to take. The poor kid was sore for a few weeks following the operation. At home he wore only an oversized t-shirt that came halfway down to his knees since underwear was too uncomfortable. Craig was mad at his parents for months; mad at them because they didn't have him cir'ed at birth.

I grew up in an era here in the US where I didn’t know any other boys that were uncut except two of my brothers. My oldest brother and dad were circumcised so I know the feeling out of place. I met a kid when I was 12 and he was 11 that got circumcised at 10 and that really intrigued me.

sparkey49 (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:02 am I met a kid when I was 12 and he was 11 that got circumcised at 10 and that really intrigued me.

I know what you mean. At that age a boy understands what he's in for and (assuming it wasn't forced on him) he goes in for it willingly.

It seems sort of like a first step on the way to have having more stuff removed.

Atreyu69 (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:50 pm Craig had just turned 12. As an American being uncut made him the odd man out and some kids thought he was a freak. Craig asked be cir'ed but I don't think he realized just how much skin the doctor was going to take. The poor kid was sore for a few weeks following the operation. At home he wore only an oversized t-shirt that came halfway down to his knees since underwear was too uncomfortable. Craig was mad at his parents for months; mad at them because they didn't have him cir'ed at birth.

I was showering and drying off in a locker room with some of my early teen students. Even though a good percentage of the guys were circumcised, thankfully more and more parents are leaving their sons foreskin intact. Instead of asking the cut guys around them, two uncut guys asked me why my dick " looks so weird " ? I guess asking me, as their phy ed teacher, was easier than asking their classmates. Or maybe their cut classmates didn t know enough about their infant circumcisions to give them any useful answers if they had already asked them about their circumcised cocks before they asked me about mine.

So with all of us naked, it was a perfect teaching moment to explain circumcision to both the uncut and cut boys changing near me. Since few parents, drs, health teachers, or anyone else ever explain circumcision to boys and teens.

I m cut really high and tight with my whole frenulum completely carved off my dick as an infant. No wonder these uncut teens thought my cock looked weird to them and compared to their fully intact foreskins and frenulums.

So I explained how they were uncircumcised and I was circumcised. I pointed out my circumcision scar and my carved off missing frenulum and how many guys are circumcised as infants and how and where my penis was cut. One guy said " Stop, stop you re making me sick ! How could they cut your dick like that ? " and of course all of them asked why my dick was cut ? I explained it was not medically needed and some parents thought penises look better circumcised and how lucky they were to have such intelligent parents who let them keep their whole foreskins and frenulums. They had pretty horrified looks on their faces looking at my circumcision scar on my shaft and no frenulum at all and seeing and hearing me explain how much foreskin was cut off my penis.

Their uncut perspective was that my cock had been mutilated for no reason, which is exactly right. Shows how different teens can view the same thing in circumcision.

I m guessing boys and teens view castration based on their exposure and familiarity with castration and their understanding of why its done to animals and to men. I m betting that farming and ranching boys, teens, and young men who are familiar with castrations and watch them done and help do castrations would be far more open to getting their own balls cut off than city males who never encounter castration and know nothing about it except maybe all the pet dogs who run around cities with empty or missing scrotums plainly visible to all boys and teens comparing their own full sacks and balls to neutered dogs bags. One teen on seeing a freshly neutered large dog spring a full erection said, Holy shit, look how big his dick is and he has no balls at all !

Personal experience and familiarity seem to be crucial in how males of all ages view castration and castrating men and boys.