I'd say you pretty fairly raised some good points.

I don t think its unhealthy or unnatural to be interested in men s sex organs. After all lots of the men on this site are gay or bi or curious, even if most of us are far more interested in male sex organs than the average man would be.

As a man who has spent countless years living with large groups of men and lots of time in group showers and locker rooms, I can assure you that males of all ages have checked me out naked and stared long and closely at my normal and full set of male sex organs countless times. I never think its inappropriate or strange or wrong at all. All males are naturally curious and competitive and want to know how they compare and measure up. It sure doesn t hurt or affend me to be looked at long or close by males or females. Many females have looked long and close at me naked too, which I think is completely normal and acceptable to do.

I ve also had boys and grown men and teens ask me all kinds of questions in showers and locker rooms when we are naked about jockstraps, nut cups, circumcision, testicles, body hair, shaving, male birth control, and all different masculine concerns and questions. I m not embarrassed at all and always happy to answer questions honestly and without shame or fear of being thought weird or creepy by talking. And yes, I ve used my own body and pointed out other naked guys as examples or demo models to answer questions without getting erect or jacking off or anything that anyone would consider wrong or too much or inappropriate in public.

Lots of young males are only kids with no brothers and often no dads at home to ask or learn anything about sex or normal male bodies or puberty or most perfectly normal male questions and concerns. Who and how are they ever supposed to learn or ask if not other males and grown men ? All males owe it to other males to be unashamed to show their bodies openly and answer questions and worries they can for other males. Maybe being related makes it more uncomfortable to do than with unrelated males. It shouldn t . Unless a man is engaging in sex with or forcing his sexual conversations on his sons, it is not abnormal to want to educate and inform your own sons on being males, sex, how sex organs work, jockstraps, circumcision, birth control and the necessary information that every male needs to be sexual and healthy. That s part of being a good dad or brother, or uncle, or grandfather. Being related doesn t make that a crime or wrong or weird. Before the current child abuse mania became the latest fad and put down, fathers and other male relatives were a normal source of all kinds of male information and learning for eons of time. When books and internet weren t invented to teach younger males about sex and their own bodies. Females sure can t teach them ! Where else did they learn about being men ? From other men.

The idea that sex knowledge or seeing any kind of sex is so damaging to kids is way overblown and isn t natural. Extreme violence and cruelty is far more damaging to kids than loving sex. Not having child sex of course, but no reason to think any sexual knowledge is criminal or weird for kids to get.

Just my opinion and personal experiences. I strongly believe treating sex and the human body as dirty, evil, wrong, criminal, embarrassing, or something to be ashamed of is very wrong and damaging to people.

It makes me feel so bad for any kids or adults who make fools of themselves in showers or locker rooms trying to hide their bodies from members of their own sex as if they are so fearful and deeply ashamed of their own bodies and sex organs ! That is so terrible and wrong to teach or instill in anyone ! Any culture that so alienates kids, teens, or adults from their own bodies and gender and sex organs should be hugely ashamed and trying to change. Its so pointlessly oppressive and cruel ! No one benefits from it. People need knowledge and pride, not oppression.

Thanks cutnbulls I couldn’t agree more! I grew up one of 6 kids (4 boys and two girls on a ranch) how sex worked and the results were very open and normal.We worked outside all the time male and female and everyone had to do their duties whether standing or squatting. It was very open about and normal about such stuff. We always laughed about our moms story about her sisters and their little brother. She was one of ten kids ( one boy eight girls and a boy) my grandmother changed the dials and bathed them together then the youngest a boy she always did separately and private then when he got to be a toddler some of the girls including my mom took him out behind the barn and stripped off his diaper to see what was the difference. We raised our children open as both of us were and I believe our kids and grandkids are well adjusted. There are natural limits for us like after a couple of years old the boys and girls don’t bathe or sleep together and learn other boundaries. My children know I have no balls and see me occasionally and it is nothing I have asked my son how he feels about it and he says it is more noticeable if I have my PA in than if I have balls or not. In the locker room if you just throw your towel over your shoulder and act normal no one pays attention if you try to be secretive people will check it out! My folks and we have taken the approach that it is better to be taught facts and educational at home than learn misinformation from elsewhere all within age appropriate boundaries. In larger families it has been normal for older children to help with the younger kids including diapers I was changing my oldest niece’s diapers etc when I was 6 because she lived with us.

Thanks sparkey49, As kids on a ranch we learned about sex at early ages. We were taught to be quiet and not harrass or startle or make loud noises when livestock were having sex. We d be working and a male animal would mount and start fucking a female. We d stay quiet and hold off on work until he finished ejaculation, which can last a while in some animals, just watching and talking as he shot his load. Then we d go back to work again like its nothing to us. We knew that was the only way to breed more animals. No one was shocked or embarrassed by it. The town kids were suprised at first but just followed our lead and got used to it.

Just recently I was talking with a group of teen boys and we heard some low growling. We all looked over and four feet from us a tomcat was growling as he bred a cat at our feet. We didn t even notice them come over and mount up until he started growling. I told the boys, you ll all be doing that soon enough to have your own kids. We chuckled and just kept talking as the cats finished breeding at our feet. It was no big deal. No one thought it was weird or embarrassing that the cats chose to mate right by us or letting them finish up as we talked on.

As a coach and Phy Ed teacher I tried to set a good example in how men should act for my male students. I d shower with them in the main showers instead of using the private office shower and sometimes I d shower and shave on mornings I was running late. Other coaches and teachers would talk to me naked and I never hid behind a towel or acted ashamed or embarrassed in front of my students or my fellow adults. It was tough enough to get the guys to change and shower together and unteach all the senseless shame, embarrassment, and fear of being naked that parents had brainwashed into their sons. Shame that had to be unlearned to get them comfortable in using locker rooms and showers as teens and ready for sports teams and living in groups for college and military life as men soon.

If you saw the needless suffering kids go through just getting naked, you d never teach shame or hide nudity ever again. It s so sad to see kids so ashamed of their own bodies for no reason.

As kids growing up we d all piss outside thinking nothing of it. I always greatly appreciated older teens and grown men not hiding their bodies outside working or in showers and locker rooms from us boys. We all wanted to know how we might look when we grew up and compared how different dads had different bodies and all sizes of sex organs and bodies that looked so different than our little boy organs. Older guys all taught us about sex and we d compare and talk about puberty and sex and knew the teens who got girlfriends pregnant and had to leave school and quit sports to work and suffer shotgun marriages to support their babies. All of us dreaded that fate. We knew how to impregnate and how to avoid it at young ages. We all needed to know that to stay out of trouble.

When I was a kid us boys all peed in a long trough at school and showered in open shower rooms not to mention peeing distances and thought nothing of it. Three of us boys shared one bedroom and part of us slept naked no big deal.I remember another story about my grandmother and the youngest of ten kids after eight girls. She was washing dishes when one of the girls came in and said George and a couple of his friends were having a peeing contest to see who could pee the farthest up the goat shed sloped roof and she just said boys will be boys and kept on with her dishes. She was a cool grandma when she later lived with us and watched my younger brother and myself!

Yeah, we need a lot more females like your grandmother who let males be males and ignore trouble making tattle tales faking injury by seeing dicks in a pissing contest. Men and boys should be encouraged to be super masculine, not ruled by female s rules, women trying to control all males, even when in men s bathrooms and locker rooms. I ve had kids tell me how their mothers said they couldn t do this or say that in men s locker rooms. I told them males decide what they say and do in men s bathrooms and locker rooms, not women. Women can decide what to do in their own bathrooms and locker rooms. Males can talk about anything they want. Men don t try to dictate what girls do and say to other girls.

Maybe we just grew up in a different place and time but most of the time you were no where close to a bathroom either on the ranch or in the timber ( my folks also worked in the timber ( post peeler and saw mill) so every morning you left with toilet paper in a pocket. Nowadays it is so changed we did a camp out for a large group and had a porta potty and after setting it some complained it wasn’t hid enough because someone could see them walking to it! Our kids went on a mission trip as teenagers and because of the conditions on a lot of missions they had books and gave lectures about that Everyone Poops because kids would hold it till the got sick and had to have medical attention or be sent home. We had a pastor once who had spent a lot of time in the field and he sai afterwards that he decided Americans were way to hung up on modesty not saying everybody should go around naked all the time.

i been reading this thread with great interest!!!

I am not!! a nullo.

But have a clear ide about this.

First. out of this thread. i see a BIG/HUGE.

difference in culture. from Europe to US.

In Europe we do sport shower. train way up in years.

with one another.

And yes there will be questions. and stranges situations.

I have no balls. but it no big deal. its about how u are as a person that determines how u fit as a role model.

And of cause how open you are.(what contry you live in)

The fact that our world. is way more electronic and less and less depending on your body's abilities.

make your mind and how you bring any young person into a self depending. and belive in there own abilities.

So what u have. or don't have between your legs is not what determine if you can or can't be a good role model.

secondly.

All that are nullo or lost there balls.

Do not talk about that with young boys.

As a role model. Make it as "normal" as posible.

It will never become a norm. or if u will a thing that is easy to handle.

and a boys brain development is not as fast as girls.

so its not finished to develop before age 20 aproxemetly.

It make the relationship easier. And it make it also, way more naturly to have clear bonderies on what is ok. and what isn't.(all is about maturity so some maby curious. and ready at early age. but be careful)

You as the adult should avoid all situations. that will make him unsurten or considering stuff like hurting him self.

Remember young boys often follow people they see as role models. with out seeing the true consequences. of there actions.

sorry about the part two.

but importent i think.

sparkey49 (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:04 am Maybe we just grew up in a different place and time but most of the time you were no where close to a bathroom either on the ranch or in the timber.

The old ways had their advantages. One of the great Canadian gold mines was found by grabbing a handful of moss off an outcrop for toilet paper.