Im not posting a picture of me, but i found a similar picture on google that looks like me, this one:

http://www.plastischchirurgschuringa.nl ... /27870.jpg

Calcium does not help much/anything with boneloss, you will get it without hormones.

Fixet (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:16 pm Im not posting a picture of me, but i found a similar picture on google that looks like me, this one:

http://www.plastischchirurgschuringa.nl ... /27870.jpg

Calcium does not help much/anything with boneloss, you will get it without hormones.

Daym, that doesn't look too bad, I think I could live with that. So CPA for 12 years and this is the extent of your gyno?, amazing. Positive stuff indeed.

kuramafox (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:46 am Daym, that doesn't look too bad, I think I could live with that. So CPA for 12 years and this is the extent of your gyno?, amazing. Positive stuff indeed.

Remember everyone is different.

_g

As far as i know depo lupron doesn't have any chance of gyno and its one of the most effective chemical castration drug out there only problem is the expense

kuramafox (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:59 am Hi, I was just wondering has anybody managed to take antiandrogens WITHOUT any breast development?,Specifically Gynecomastia. I've read into spironolactone, bicalutamide, cyproterone acetate and more. The side effects say gynecomastia and I could live with any side effect except this specifically.

The reason I want to take antiandrogens is to prevent any further masculization, Male pattern baldness,excess libido, etc. But the thought of growing breasts scares the shit out of me.

I've been on Depo Provera (medroxyprogesterone acetate) at different times, for several months at one point (though never years), and I've never had that side effect. The lowering of libido happens only gradually -- you will be on it for weeks before it has noticeable effect, and wearing off similarly takes time.

Relicanth (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:00 am So raloxifene stops the osteoporosis from castration, does it also stop the depression, memory loss and other castration side effects?

I have been taking raloxifene, albeit a low dose. It helped containing gynecomastia, improving overall energy level, improving response to fitness training and weight control. But it did not help with my depression. But then, I was under a lot of grief from family death.

Regarding osteoporosis, I read somewhere that it has only been proven to help women against osteoporosis. Evidently, no data had been collected on men. But I am taking it together with calcium and Vitamin D supplement to prevent osteoporosis. I also do weight training to help strengthen bone density.

For what it is worth. For your consideration. You decide.

Don’t Take This Drug for Any Reason

June 06 10:51 2017

by Shift Daily News

If you lined up some of the riskiest drugs out there, tamoxifen — an estrogen blocker that has been pushed on women to prevent and treat breast cancer for decades — would rise to the top of the heap.

Many cancer patients are even refusing to take it. And the FDA-approved label says that doctors should be sure to tell patients about the risks of the drug! When have you ever seen that?

But now, a group of researchers in France are busy studying tamoxifen for another use — one you may find hard to believe.

A horror show of side effects

It’s called the “gold standard” for treating and preventing certain kinds of breast cancer.

But some woman at high risk for the disease are preferring to have their healthy breasts removed rather than chance taking this drug!

It seems, however, that old dangerous pharmaceuticals never quite go away. Instead, researchers just look for new uses for them. And that’s exactly what’s going on with tamoxifen.

A group of researchers affiliated with a French university are saying that they may have found a new way to treat obesity and the metabolic conditions that go along with it by using — you guessed it — tamoxifen.

They removed the ovaries from a group of very unlucky mice, then pumped half of them with tamoxifen with the other half given a placebo. And eureka! The drugged mice didn’t gain weight and were “less likely” to develop other obesity-related conditions. Why, these scientists probably think they’re going to get an award of some kind.

But don’t let anyone try to talk you into taking this med for any reason — let alone to drop some pounds or treat disorders such as insulin resistance, glucose intolerance and fatty liver disease (how the French researchers say it “helped” the mice).

And having the drug used this way isn’t far-fetched at all.

As long as a med is approved by the FDA for a condition, a doctor can give you an Rx for it to “treat” any other. It’s called off-label prescribing, and it means that practically any drug can end up being given to you for any reason whatsoever.

Unbelievably, this isn’t the first time tamoxifen has been promoted for other uses.

At the beginning of the year, I told you about a study from the University of California, San Francisco, in which the researchers first said that having dense breast tissue is the biggest risk factor out there for developing breast cancer (not true!). And then they went on to tell us that the only thing known to reduce breast density is…tamoxifen.

Having dense breast tissue is a perfectly normal condition. But that’s really beside the point, because taking tamoxifen can trigger some horrible diseases and conditions that are anything but normal.

The label for AstraZeneca’s brand of tamoxifen, called Nolvadex, reads like a horror show of side effects.

It has a black-box warning for “serious and life-threatening events” such as strokes, blood clots and cancers of the uterus. It also says that doctors should be telling women who may take it to prevent breast cancer about “the potential risks of serious events.”

And as I said, more and more women — ones with cancer — who are learning about what this drug can do are refusing to take it. A recent study on breast cancer patients found that when “the numbers were laid out for them…they weren’t interested in taking tamoxifen.”

But the thought that a doctor could slip you an Rx for this drug to drop some pounds is chilling.

Someday we’ll look back on the poisonous drugs that were given to patients and just shake our heads in disbelief.

Until that time comes, however, you need to know all the facts before taking any drug for any reason.

CastratedTomcat (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:46 am Better should be Finasteride for that!

Gyno you can prevent with low doses of tamoxifene.

You have to separate the effects of these drugs on women from the effect on men. And in men it really depends on whether you still have testosterone or are fully castrated.

Most of the side effects listed are related to the fact that women (whose bodies are meant to be infused with estrogen) are now getting the action of estrogen replaced with the selective-estrogen reuptake modulator (SERM) drug. So it is understandable that uterus, ovaries, breast tissue, will be affected. They usually take these drugs when they haven't had an ovarectomy (the drug instead competes with the natural estrogen) and so blood clotting side effects like stroke are likely because now you have two clotting agents in the blood stream (when estrogen based birth control was first trialed a lot of women died because any dose higher than a bit extra caused strokes). Furthermore now the woman is chemically castrated so other hormone health effects on the heart, musculature, bones and brain are altered.

In men it is entirely different, especially if they still produce natural testosterone. In that case the testosterone is still dominant and doing what it is meant to do and instead you're using the drug to eliminate unwanted effects.

Basically these drugs are much safer in men than in women because (a) you're not starving a body that developed on estrogen from estrogen, (b) you're not chemically castrated so still have hormonal benefits.

If you're a castrated male, you may have to be more cautious. However, the benefit of a SERM is that it acts like an estrogen in some respects, most notably in terms of bone density. So it is a tradeoff you need to make.

In terms of which SERM to take, Tamoxifen is pretty old. A better one (less side effects) is Raloxifene. I have taken Raloxifene daily for years and it really helps me avoid having a soft body.

All body builders take SERM medications, although you can't really use them as an example of drug safety since they do admittedly hurt their long-term health with their experimental steroid use.

To prevent the negative health issues but with castration like effect on genitals you can use Deca.

Inject around 100-200mg per week and after one or two weeks ypu will have the effect without the other bad things of low Testo.

Gyno could be also a problem, but from progesterone and not from e2. But mostly not at this doses.

Hi

Can please tell me what dose of Raloxifene you are taking and where to buy it?

As the only Raloxifene I can find is 55mg tablets and they are very expensive.

Many Thanks

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:03 am You have to separate the effects of these drugs on women from the effect on men. And in men it really depends on whether you still have testosterone or are fully castrated.

Most of the side effects listed are related to the fact that women (whose bodies are meant to be infused with estrogen) are now getting the action of estrogen replaced with the selective-estrogen reuptake modulator (SERM) drug. So it is understandable that uterus, ovaries, breast tissue, will be affected. They usually take these drugs when they haven't had an ovarectomy (the drug instead competes with the natural estrogen) and so blood clotting side effects like stroke are likely because now you have two clotting agents in the blood stream (when estrogen based birth control was first trialed a lot of women died because any dose higher than a bit extra caused strokes). Furthermore now the woman is chemically castrated so other hormone health effects on the heart, musculature, bones and brain are altered.

In men it is entirely different, especially if they still produce natural testosterone. In that case the testosterone is still dominant and doing what it is meant to do and instead you're using the drug to eliminate unwanted effects.

Basically these drugs are much safer in men than in women because (a) you're not starving a body that developed on estrogen from estrogen, (b) you're not chemically castrated so still have hormonal benefits.

If you're a castrated male, you may have to be more cautious. However, the benefit of a SERM is that it acts like an estrogen in some respects, most notably in terms of bone density. So it is a tradeoff you need to make.

In terms of which SERM to take, Tamoxifen is pretty old. A better one (less side effects) is Raloxifene. I have taken Raloxifene daily for years and it really helps me avoid having a soft body.

All body builders take SERM medications, although you can't really use them as an example of drug safety since they do admittedly hurt their long-term health with their experimental steroid use.