Moi, I agree and most likely so does losethem that California should have started building desalination plants 40 years ago, but they did not. AND if they started tomorrow building 20 of them on the fastest track possible they would not be done for several years.

So to your third statement, adding more customers? what new construction but no water? is that what your saying? new customers should not be allowed to have water?

Moi, you can get on your soapbox all you want but this drought is very real, the lack of water your fault, my fault nobody's fault there is still a real shortage of water. If I understand what I have been hearing of the governors plan, I would not want you to be watering your grass. You will be fined and it will be a heavy fine. They are not going to care one damn bit if you are a native, that you have lived in that house for 40 years, that is not going to matter, you will pay a big price. I don't want to see that happen to you.

I saw an interesting picture/chart yesterday, don't remember the exact number but water usage per person in Beverly Hills was 265 gal a day, in Compton 68 gals a day. I think this shows part of Moi's problem, both he and Beverly Hills needs a reality check.

River

In the news today, special water meters will be placed for people who they believe are wasting water. Also fines up to $10,000 can be levied.

In short, no watering your grass no water for your garden. It will be really easy to see who is not complying.

This is really bad people, many of the crops that are grown in California will not be stopped.

As more information comes out every day the worse it looks.

River

RiverLava

Colorado has areas where construction is limited to buildings you fill once and then recycle.

California should do same.

No New Water Customers.

Just fill and do your thing.

New Suburbs are built on fifties technology.

No Gray Water recycling.

That the construction industry is protected while productive orchards are told to, "dry up" is obnoxious.

Likewise allowing the water wasting Fracking Industry!

I oppose Water Conservation until new Construction is similarly constrained and fracking is halted.

Moi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE

Opposing the law is admaderal, taking a stand for justice. Woot Woot, I knew those gold eagles you bought would come in handy. Those fines will be high but taking a stand. Good for you, fight the injustice.

California Gov. Jerry Brown said on Sunday the water rations he imposed in the wake of an historic drought should serve as a “wake-up call” not just for residents of his home state but everyone.

“I can tell you, from California, (censored by Archive Management as political) ” he said on ABC’s “This Week.” “We’re dealing with it, and it’s damn serious.”

Brown mandated a 25% cut in the Western state’s water consumption in an executive order (http://gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=18913) signed on Wednesday. The emergency actions (

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:10 pm http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/california-i ... -rationing

) also planned for the addition of “drought tolerant landscaping” to 50 million square miles of California lawns.

“It’s requiring action and changes in behavior from the Oregon border all the way to the Mexican border,” Brown said of his mandate. “It affects lawns. It affects people’s – how long they stay in the shower, how businesses use water.”

Those who don’t comply with the law can be fined up to $500 a day and face potential action in court.

OH what is water.waister.moi going to do?

River

It's a shame that they don't just let the market handle the problem as well as look at ways to "get govt out of the way" to fix the problem. The very first thing I would have done would be to restructure water prices so that customers have a reasonably priced "base allotment" of water each month then have a progressive price structure on top of that. Make the upper end of water usage high enough to get painful. If you are filthy rich and want to water your yard, fine.

The most important thing this does on top of getting people to conserve is that it drives the price up of artificially low and subsidized water and opens up a market for entrepreneurs to fill. The poor are protected by the base allotment as long as they conserve water. A market will open up for reclaimed and processed water but you will have to get the regulatory agencies to work with private enterprise to do so or they will face California regulation that will shout that down quickly.

We can also start secondary water systems that provide clean salt water just like we do fresh water. Small RO systems are cheap and easy to install in your own home and aerobic septic systems can be installed on site that can clean and process water for non drinking use like wor lawn and garden or redirected to lakes to help replenish ground water.

YES and yes, you are right on the money, one of the first problems is that most residential properties do not have a meter, just and on/off valve. There are 39 million people who live in California.

This is a problem that should have been solved years ago, but as Americans we tend to wait until its a crisis before we do anything. I am sure they will fix this problem and many of the things you have suggested will be enacted however it will take time, at a minimum a few years and they will be out of water by Christmas.

So as it gets painful for the people in California they will need to watch their water usage, with everybody pitching in they might have water until next summer, if they get a good snow fall this coming winter everything will be back to normal and then all the suggestions you made will be forgotten.

I am sorry to say its back to the hole in the roof that I talked about earlier, infrastructure is something that we don't seem to do anymore.

River

The New York Times has a map showing the increase of the drought from last November to March 31, 2015.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014 ... 0002&abg=0

It also has the "Palmer Drought Index" back to 1895 . . . (yes, 1895)

Of course nothings gonna stop corporations like Nestle from pumping out H20 during a drought. Evil fucking cunts!!!!!! I bet they've been granted amnesty from their past transgressions and continue to usurp water. How is it that they continue to evade laws. Their immunity to laws is sickening.

foxytaur (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:27 pm Of course nothings gonna stop corporations like Nestle from pumping out H20 during a drought. Evil fucking c-nts!!!!!! I bet they've been granted amnesty from their past transgressions and continue to usurp water. How is it that they continue to evade laws. Their immunity to laws is sickening.

Chances are nearly 100% that the farms in California have the rights to the water they use.

The problem isn't so much "greedy corporations" but a water system in California that was created 100 years ago if not longer. That system has never been changed or updated. It's a bizarre collection of land rights, mineral rights, water rights, all sorts of other archaic agreements, land grants, rights-of-way, and deeds. (perhaps a Tontine or two).

It is much easier to the Governor of California (regardless of who he is, or his political party) to ask the household consumer to cut back on water because that involves letting their lawn die, or driving a dirty car, or every citizen adjusting to smelly feet and stinky armpits.

It is much harder for any political authority to ask farmers to stop growing and to use less water because that throws people out of jobs and into unemployment.

Personally, smelly feet and stinky armpits (on alternating Tuesdays and Thursdays) are much more preferable than raising the unemployment rate by closing farms.

The best deal would be for California to subsidize crop production and maintain the levels of agriculture, while using less water. This can be done by using less water intensive means of supplying the water -- think drip irrigation rather than flood irrigation.

That, however, is a political solution that has escaped California for many decades, if not a century.

I could not agree more Dave, but I can hear the farmers now, any reduction and the whole crop fails, its all or nothing. Better to let the grass die, parks and golf courses are the first to go and the golfers are none to happy about that.

River