Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun May 19, 2013 1:45 pm But if you don't like trek movies why did you watch it?

Morbid curiosity, I suppose.

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Paolo wrote: Mon May 20, 2013 8:29 am Hell, Nero even altered Klingon culture somehow, right down to their appearance!

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The design of Klingon heads, hair, ridges, faces, etc... has changed several times from the original Star Trek series through several appearances until they settled on the "Worf" design...

As for screwing up the consequences of time travel -- that's a trademark of Star Trek.

One of the reasons that I don't consider it as "wonderful" and "Exciting" and "groundbreaking" as other Sci Fi Series.

Everyone knows that the radical change in Klingon appearance in TOS vs. TNG etc was that the TOS Klingons were Northern Klingons, and the ridged ones were Southern.

Kang, Koloth, and Kor had cosmetic surgery, you see.

At least until that pathetic episode of "Enterprise" where Archer and co. explained that it was all due to a virus.

As I remember it. the Klingons did some flaky genetic engineering and those early Klingons were supposed to look more like humans than klingons. But I could be wrong or read some spurious crapola...

I did go looking into the STar Trek timeline and discovered that there is mucho words devoted to the history anwithd graphics thingies that present all of the years that the various Star Trek series in colors (including animated, pulp paperback, and graphic novels) from the Original to Voyager and even the trash pit that was ENTERPRISE (WOWIE was that a wasteland of garbage stories and shitty time travel) ...

THe short side of that long thought is that somehow they justify the new (read alternate) timeline with the old timeline without paradox occurring.

It's like that cheesy politician who only wanted to say he never hiked the appalachian trail... Lots of zippy excuses...

Should I drop the big spoiler, the really big spoiler, the secret spoiler that might spoil the entire new movie for the true believer and the Star Trek fanatical watcher? ? ? ?

Four question marks there.

SO here it is the spoiler in wonderful invisitext: Khan's the good guy.

That's invisible if you use the standard template of colors.

If you use that eye-destroying white text on black background there's three things you should know:

a) it's been known to cause baldness, sterility, and hairy palms

b) it's bad on your eyes

c) It shrinks your weenie

d) the spoiler will glow in the dark like a nuclear explosion

Kirk screamed one word famously in Star Trek 2:TWoK.

I screamed like that too, only it was "ABRAAAAAAMS!"

That particular scene is, was, and always will be unforgivable.

On that we agree.

I think from what I've read online (not yet seeing the movie) and from what I am seeing on the TV because FX is repeating the rebooted STAR TREK with Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto and Nero that the reboot is more extensive than the obvious. SO many attitudes are slightly off what they were in all of the principle characters and many of the minor characters. None of them are as altruistic.

I think the reboot included the formation of the Star Fleet command such that Roddenberry's much loved "Prime Directive" isn't in effect yet.

I think the battle with Nero which occurred when Kirk was born so badly messed with the minds of Star Fleet Command that they never instilled the prime directive into anyone before Kirk went to the Academy.

I think that the actions of Nero in killing Kirk's father changes mental attitudes AND physical reality. The interplay between Old Spock and the new characters is astounding when compared to the interplay between the New Spock and the new characters. All of that is changed.

That's why the villain in this movie "INTO DARKNESS" is so odd and unusual for Star Trek. That's why all sorts of people behave somewhat off the old character's behavior.

I'm guessing that there is more than cosmetic changes to the timeline thanks to Nero.

That is why Old Spock and New Spock can exist without paradox in this timeline.

In essence the Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto STAR TREK was more than a simple reboot of the story with new characters.

I just watched STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS...

Not what I expected from all of the hype...

There have always been parts of Star Trek that make the whole story seem like a big joke on itself. Then there are the serious and thoughtful parts.

This begins with a chase and a volcano.

I think that it is a contrived and cheesy opening.

Then Benedict Cumberbatch appears and he commands attention when he is on the screen.

Yes, he is shortly revealed as KHAN and he has a compelling story. You can almost feel sad for him.

But remember, KHAN is a sociopath and a killer.

However, where the original Star Trek had only one villain in the Khan story, this reboot has two.

It seems that someone is manipulating KHAN and has lost control of him.

This is parallel history. As with the original storyline "the good of the many outweighs the good of the one" is played out.

Someone must die and return to life. Khan must be neutralized or killed.

And silly chases, awful in-jokes, and bad metaphors get thrown around the good parts.

It is typical star trek fun to watch and I wish that they would have made the serious meditation on friendship, loyalty and duty.

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Dave (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:15 pm It is typical star trek fun to watch and I wish that they would have made the serious meditation on friendship, loyalty and duty.

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I think they did, remember this is only their second movie, it does take time for that to develop but Scotty left because of duty, Spock's report was because of duty, the Kirk acts will all out abandon as is expected.

I like the new Star Trek and hope they make several more movies, in the new time line they can go anywhere and do anything.

The best thing is that there will be a sequel to the Kahn where he is really the bad guy with his crew in a ship and...........

One thing that I have noticed about movies in general, we love our bad guys, be it Kahn or Darth Vader and so they will come back over and over.

River

I enjoyed watching it and I'm not enjoying much of anything lately.

So take my reflections about it as somewhat damaged by my bad mood.

Paolo wrote: Sun May 19, 2013 1:28 pm Bring me the severed genitals of JJ Abrams on a silver platter.