Elizabeth (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:40 pm Many pre-op transsexuals kid themselves about this one, thinking they are going to still be able to reach orgasm after surgery. However, I have yet to meet one in person that can reach orgasm. I know they say that 20% can, but I have not seen it yet.

Reports on this have been all over the place. From Anne Lawrence's site: http://www.gendersanctuary.com/pdf/sexu ... urgery.pdf

Frequency and Characteristics of Orgasm After SRS

The frequency with which participants were able to achieve orgasm with masturbation after SRS and the

characteristics of their postoperative orgasms are summarized in Table XIV. About 85% of participants who

responded to questions about orgasm were orgasmic in some manner after SRS. Only 11% of participants

thought that orgasm after SRS was "very similar" or "almost identical" to orgasms experienced before SRS,

but 67% found orgasm after SRS to be as pleasurable or more pleasurable than before SRS. Over half of

participants (55%) responding reported that they sometimes ejaculated with orgasm.

The aims of this study were to describe the sexual behaviors and attitudes of a group of MtF transsexuals

operated on by one surgeon using a consistent technique and to test specific hypotheses concerning their

sexual attitudes, behaviors, and partnership patterns. The study's descriptive data come from the largest

single-surgeon follow-up survey of MtF SRS yet published (N = 232). They demonstrate, among other things,

the sexual diversity of contemporary MtF transsexuals, a diversity that stands in sharp contrast to the findings

of some early reports. The study's descriptive data may be of particular interest to clinicians who counsel MtF

transsexual patients and to MtF transsexuals themselves.

Survey of Dr Toby Metzler's post SRS patienst) found:...... Eighty-five percent of participants reported that they were able to achieve orgasm after SRS, which is

consistent with the results of the studies summarized in Table III. The rate of anorgasmia experienced by

participants appears comparable to that experienced by natal women: Laumann et al. (1994) found that 24%

of natal women reported that over the last year there had been a period of several months or more during

which they had been unable to achieve orgasm. Although it is impossible to know whether the orgasms

reported by participants represent physiological orgasms, the large percentages of participants who reported

that their orgasms were either entirely different or only slightly similar to the orgasms they experienced while

living as men might lead to skepticism. On the other hand, 55% of participants reported that they sometimes

ejaculated with orgasm; this probably represents a minimum estimate of the percentage able to achieve

physiological orgasm after SRS. Since three quarters of participants described their orgasms after SRS as

being at least as pleasurable as those they experienced before SRS, whether or not these orgasms were

physiological may not have been especially consequential for the persons who experienced them.

but in another study: http://www.annelawrence.com/1997sicsg.html

Although a bare majority of the new women reported having had at least one orgasm since surgery, only 1 could definitely report achieving orgasm regularly. This is an astonishingly low figure, even allowing that 2 of the women had undergone surgery less than a year before—perhaps too recently to know what their pattern would be. In response to this disappointing result, one participant remarked, "This confirms what we've known all along—that surgeons lie." Another interpretation, of course, might be that orgasmic transsexual women are busy having orgasms, while nonorgasmic ones go to the NWC to bemoan their fates. We can compare the present results with some historical ones. The results from a previous NWC survey (Ogborn & Chase, 1994) showed unusually low orgasm rates, too. Do the NWC women comprise a different population? Or are they perhaps just unusually honest? As Blanchard et al. (1987) observed,"orgasm is undoubtedly difficult to describe in the first place, and one has little idea what to seek as evidence of authenticity in . . . self-reports" (pp. 272-273). Blanchard et al. thought that at least some of their informants, especially those who described multiple orgasms, were probably describing something else. They also noted that self-reports are "almost certainly colored, in many instances, by the transsexual's need to see herself, and be regarded by others, as a normal female" (p. 272). This might well explain why several non-"guilt-free" studies report orgasm rates of 30-60%. Both the 1993 and 1996 NWC studies, using "guilt-free" data collection, yield lower numbers and, I would tentatively suggest, more accurate numbers.

I'd like to share some personal experience on this subject, which is consistent with the factors noted above. I am one of the lucky transsexual women who is orgasmic; but I did not become orgasmic until seven months after surgery—after I attended NWC 6. During those months, I had some sensations that I believed might have been orgasms—indeed, that I desperately wanted to believe were orgasms. For that reason, I dropped a blue "not sure" chip when answering whether I had ever been orgasmic after surgery. Knowing what I know now, I should have dropped a white "no" chip. If I had been asked in a face-to-face interview whether I was orgasmic, I quite possibly would have answered "yes", an answer that I now know would have been incorrect. I can testify to the powerful desire to portray oneself as "normal" after surgery. I believe that this must be considered in interpreting studies that have not used anonymous data collection.

My experience running TS support groups is that the 85% figure is much too high, but your experience is probably too low. And most of the orgasmic ones needed masturbation by itself or as a supplement to penetration to get there (as do a lot of bio women.) I have been on blockers and estrogen for over a decade and have shrunk greatly, but w/ the aid of my trusty Hitachi Magic Wand ( http://www.amazon.com/Vibratex-HV-250R- ... B00005M1WE ) and Wahl massager ( http://www.amazon.com/Wahl-4120-200-All ... B000EQS33G) I remain quite orgasmic. Many trans women essentially stop masturbating and having orgasms when the blockers and estrogen reduce libido, (anecdotally more from the blockers than the estrogen; an increase in libido is not uncommon when they are castrated and stop blockers) Once they stop having regular orgasms, they are much less likely to be orgasmic after SRS. If money were no object, I would probably get castrated, but absent a partner for whom a cunt was an important part of the relationship, I am in no hurry for SRS. I would hate to spent up to $30,000 for a dry hole that never gets used, since I spend little time in female locker rooms or nudist camps. And I like orgasms a bit too much to nullify myself just to get a flat look. The fantasy of penectomy can arouse if part of a program of regular femininization, but has no great appeal just to look better in places I don't go much at my age.

Transward

#5 for sure -- I want to get rid of them for sure, but I do like my life pretty much as is -- but the idea of being castrated which I want, and then immediately adding back testosterone does not seem right for me -- not sure what to do. And no I am not a transsexual -- just an older male.

1 and 7 are high on the list. I don't want to be a sexless euruch, I just want to be nutless. I am concerned that even with hrt things wouldn't be the same. Additionally, my lady loves my balls and is also concerned that there may be unintended negative impacts on our love life.

2,5 and 8, 5 and 8 are the bigest reasons. I would like to have my born male genitals changed to female to match my born female mind.I think I could live in a male role and have female looking genitals. Some day I would like to transition all the way to living as female.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:01 pm Good words Elizabeth!

These things you just described have prevented me getting castrated so far. That is the reason why older men get castrated, as they do not have much too loose first place. They might be alone already. And they've had much time to experienc various situations in their life to be sure there is not much bad that could happen to them. Most are independent in most ways including financially.

Wow, we are all washed up so just take off our balls. I was in my 20's when I began thinking about castration. It took me until I was 41 to find someone to castrate me or it would have happened earlier. Plix and Thefraj are two who were castrated at an early age. At 56 I still have to work daily. I had just as much fear and anxiety as anyone who is making a major life change.

Number 2 for me plus the uncertainty of traveling to Thailand by myself and having it done there.

I think that it would be great if a group of guys went together at the same time. Maybe there would be a "group discount"

erikboy (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:01 pm Good words Elizabeth!

These things you just described have prevented me getting castrated so far. That is the reason why older men get castrated, as they do not have much too loose first place. They might be alone already. And they've had much time to experienc various situations in their life to be sure there is not much bad that could happen to them. Most are independent in most ways including financially.

Gotta give erikboy the benefit of the doubt here. To those of us with communication sensitivities, best described as being proper, saying things as indirectly as possible or what I grew up hearing as "people who wouldn't say shit even if they had a mouthful of it", his words seem harsh. Number one erikboy's first language isn't English, number two, the eastern European people I've known, have always been very direct. I really hope I'm right, and there was no intent to say. Hell, once you're 40 you're nearly dead anyways, probably single, and have no use for balls...though that may be somewhat true too...for some.

nonuts (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:36 pm Gotta give erikboy the benefit of the doubt here. To those of us with communication sensitivities, best described as being proper, saying things as indirectly as possible or what I grew up hearing as "people who wouldn't say shit even if they had a mouthful of it", his words seem harsh. Number one erikboy's first language isn't English, number two, the eastern European people I've known, have always been very direct. I really hope I'm right, and there was no intent to say. Hell, once you're 40 you're nearly dead anyways, probably single, and have no use for balls...though that may be somewhat true too...for some.

Good points nonuts but I was feeling dismissed by the comments. I guess it caught me a little by surprise since I enjoy erikboy's posts so much. When you respect someone their comments carry a greater weight.

1, 2, 5 and 7 would stop me. I like to be a male, but in my opinion I would look much better without balls. An other reason is, I like to have sex - but I want it without balls - and I know that's not possible in that way like now.

tugon (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:49 pm Wow, we are all washed up so just take off our balls. I was in my 20's when I began thinking about castration. It took me until I was 41 to find someone to castrate me or it would have happened earlier. Plix and Thefraj are two who were castrated at an early age. At 56 I still have to work daily. I had just as much fear and anxiety as anyone who is making a major life change.

I was in my mid 30's, when I desperately wanted to get castrated. I only didn't know how to have this done. Now I'm much older and don't feel the same necessity as before. I believe that when I really got castrated in my mid 30's, I would have been and still would be happy to be a eunuch, but that's speculation.