I think I'm going to stop talking about it here since I'm getting wound up which isn't productive. I do thank you for your input.

--LT

What I see a lot of is a twist on your point, A-1. People need a certain amount of ego or self-confidence or however you want to describe it to be a leader or decision maker. What I see is a lot of people who have way more ego than is needed AND is warranted by my estimation. That focus on glorifying management and minimizing credit for others falls straight into their estimation of themselves. And they are not intelligent enough recognize their own reality, which is another way of phrasing my earlier point.

Arab Nights (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:30 pm What I see a lot of is a twist on your point, A-1. People need a certain amount of ego or self-confidence or however you want to describe it to be a leader or decision maker. What I see is a lot of people who have way more ego than is needed AND is warranted by my estimation. That focus on glorifying management and minimizing credit for others falls straight into their estimation of themselves. And they are not intelligent enough recognize their own reality, which is another way of phrasing my earlier point.

This is PRECISELY the point. Because of the obscene financial power of the so-called "Management" of America's corporate structures, the power that they wield WITHOUT sufficient 'intelligence' (can we substitute knowledge?) is plunging America into a type of 'feudalism' that has not yet been known or described in academic literature or in history, I fear.

If America succumbs to the "Tea Party" mentality the average America will be little more than a financial slave. This will lead to loss of liberty, whether by choice or by necessity.

There are parallels in many parts of history, and in current society, but this in my estimation if it is allowed to continue and to progress will be unique. Complete financial control of individuals within a society IS exemplified today. One may only need to avail themselves to the sexually exploitative websites on the Internet, where women allow (and men to a lesser extent) themselves (or are subjected to) rape, (I say rape, and that is how it looks, but not how it is legally) torture, mutilation, physical abuse, whippings, beatings and everything short of killing for significant sums of money. They apparently sign the rights of the recordings of this abuse so that these recordings can be sold in perpetuity for a profit, thus restricting their ability to become significant in today's 'pop' culture, unless the abuse (or self-abuse) occurs after they attain fame and/or popularity.

I must consider how this system might evolve if political intercession does not occur. Complete collapse may not be possible owing to the U.S. Constitution without control of the Supreme Court. This takes years of legislative manipulation. The results of the last election were encouraging. However, unless the current trends lessen or stop, America can expect to see the gap between the very poor and the very rich to widen and the middle class to shrink smaller and smaller, both numerically and financially. In the end the lower classes will be ignored and deprived of their liberties. It is happening now in a sociological sense. Consider those who abuse their fellow humans, (for example, serial killers, rapists, and the like) always pick their victims from a class of people who are homeless, drug addicted, are young runaways, are single women (or men) who are estranged from their families or who have no families to find victims for their self-appeasing practices of inhumanity to their fellow humans.

The key to continuing their self-aggrandizement is financial superiority. If it is not to attain a certain independence so that their practices may continue, then the financial superiority illusion is a goal in itself.

Individuals such as Bob/3 give us the financial tools to keep ourselves out of these situations, but most of us will never use them because we have a certain repugnance against them. Think of him as a 13th degree black belt in financial jiu-jitsu. Nobody, but nobody will EVER kick Bob/3's ass financially. However, fighting as a lifestyle has it's drawbacks and is generally life-shortening.

More later, as I continue to think this through.

Let's quit the politics now.

Let's quit the politics now.

O.K. If that is what this is by your criteria. I see it as a historically-based evolving prediction and a comment on American society. It is not really political, it is American society as I see it and it is my honest opinion.

I have sometimes wondered to what extent my being autistic (especially with respect to my being unable to think in words) improves my ability to understand the phenomenon of life, of which phenomenon I find I am apparently a proper subset, or to what extent my being autistic degrades my ability to understand the phenomenon of life.

The more I exclude words from my life, the better the quality of life I subjectively experience. This has been of the nature of an existential curiosity for me for almost all of my life.

Expecting to learn that I am mistaken, I find that "political" on the Eunuch Archive is a term for whatever gives rise to umbrage, and especially is a term for whatever gives umbrage to the Archive administrators.

However, i have a niggardly sense that my putting forth that view in the form of a tentatively hypothetical working definition of "political" may itself be intolerably political.

Which leads me to deem unacceptable my wondering how I can understand accurately the polity of the Eunuch Archive prior to really messing up.

Ego sum, ideo puto.

As I am not a Cartesian dualist, "I am, therefore I think."

Thanks, Kristoff, for doing the difficult job of moderator.

janekane (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:45 pm Ego sum, ideo puto.

As I am not a Cartesian dualist, "I am, therefore I think."

Something, I would never dare say. Not in a million years. LOL. (Joke.)

janekane (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:45 pm Ego sum, ideo puto.

As I am not a Cartesian dualist, "I am, therefore I think."

Or after last night for many of us:

Ergo sum, bibo puto.

"I am, therefore I drink."

(Or maybe, "Ergo sum, bibo puto. Ideo." "I am, therefore I drink. I think.")

Transward

Does existence act, or does action exist?

This actually might be a significant aspect of business management philosophy; who or what actually manages management?

My solution, which I tend to question:

Puto sum, ideo puto.

(I think I am, therefore I think.)

Perfectly circular arguments are hard to disprove?