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Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:48 pm
by Uncle Flo (imported)
Wooden sailing vessels in heavy weather are a little outside my experience. It is true that the hull form has a lot to do with how a vessel handles under bad conditions. Typically deep draft sailing vessels do not do very well under power, exceptions being for the specifically designed motor sailers used for ocean passenger cruises. Keep in mind that many thousands of sailing vessels have sunk in hurricane-like conditions without being engine powered or without being 50 plus years old, either. --FLO--
Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:09 pm
by moi621 (imported)
Uncle Flo
That hull would have been better to ride out the storm then challenge it under motor power, yes?
Just a lower foresail, maybe reefed in a bit to keep it pointing in the proper direction for the ride? ?
Best & Thanks
Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:36 pm
by Dave (imported)
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Dave (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:46 pm
Dressed in red survival suits, they stood on deck preparing to take to their lifeboats. Suddenly 50-mph winds and up to 30-foot waves flipped the ship horizontally, tossing the crew overboard.
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There aren't many boats made that handle 50 mph winds and 30 foot waves.
And once the ship goes horizontal, I doubt a three masted ship can right itself.
In Sebastian Junger's book, THE PERFECT STORM, he describes a memorial to all the ships that have left the harbor over the years and never returned.
Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:00 am
by Uncle Flo (imported)
moi621 (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:09 pm
Uncle Flo
That hull would have been better to ride out the storm then challenge it under motor power, yes?
Just a lower foresail, maybe reefed in a bit to keep it pointing in the proper direction for the ride? ?
Best & Thanks
I think she would have her best chance securely moored in a shelter harbor, I still do not understand why a wooden boat of that age was at sea during those dangerous conditions. --FLO--
Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:13 am
by Dave (imported)
Uncle Flo (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:00 am
I think she would have her best chance securely moored in a shelter harbor, I still do not understand why a wooden boat of that age was at sea during those dangerous conditions. --FLO--
That's been my thought from the first word that they left port to outrun the storm -- why?
The worst that could happen docked up is a battering but if it became that obvious why couldn't they scuttle the ship in the shallows?
Could that be done? Or have I made a really dumb statement?
Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:11 pm
by moi621 (imported)
Obviously, a secure port would have been best.
If I were 'in charge' because I had the Sea Explorer experience -
and I was there in the ocean, in the storm -
I would keep the motor going for power to the pumps, but not for propulsion.
Besides a minimal low foresail I would consider a sea anchor to maintain ? attitude ?
in the storm.
Any sailors or sea man or even river men care to comment.
Think of it as a Kobayashi Maru test.
It can't be passed by saying the star ship shouldn't have been there.
Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:34 pm
by Dave (imported)
I think The Bounty would have been battered into the docks and sunk in any port from New Jersey up to Maine. That's how bad the Hurricane was and how wickedly it hit the coast. The only difference is that two people would not have died.
Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:26 pm
by Uncle Flo (imported)
Dave (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:13 am
That's been my thought from the first word that they left port to outrun the storm -- why?
The worst that could happen docked up is a battering but if it became that obvious why couldn't they scuttle the ship in the shallows?
Could that be done? Or have I made a really dumb statement?
Vessels are deliberately sunk in shallow water to save lives or to make salvage possible but, in high wind and/or seas they will be damaged or destroyed by battering. --FLO--
Re: The Bounty and its fate
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:34 pm
by Uncle Flo (imported)
moi621 (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:11 pm
Obviously, a secure port would have been best.
If I were 'in charge' because I had the Sea Explorer experience -
and I was there in the ocean, in the storm -
I would keep the motor going for power to the pumps, but not for propulsion.
Besides a minimal low foresail I would consider a sea anchor to maintain ? attitude ?
in the storm.
Any sailors or sea man or even river men care to comment.
Think of it as a Kobayashi Maru test.
It can't be passed by saying the star ship shouldn't have been there.
I have been on boats in 75mph - 80mph winds. I do not think any sail would be a good idea but a sea anchor would help if it was from the bow to keep head into the wind. The engine could be useful to help keep her from broaching. I doubt any of this would have changed the end of the scenario. --FLO--
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