America as the villian and the cause of the worlds woes...

[Charlieje (imported)]

OK, now I have GOT to say something.

The USA swallow Canada? I'm sorry, but it is very doubtful that it will ever happen.

When Quebec began raising hell in the 60's, crying FOUL and threatening to separate, we Canadians all realized that such a split would divide Canada into two pieces. On the one side would be Western Canada, including Ontario, quite able to sufficiently take care of themselves I'm sure. On the other would be the Maritimes: New Brunswick (where I grew up), Nova Scotia (where I called home most of my life), Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland.

There was a lot of talk during the 70's and 80's that if the Quebec separation ever did happen, the eastern Maritimes would be quickly swallowed up by the USA. At times I thought I was the only one in the entire region who was saying two things, over and over and over:

(1) We should be so lucky

(2) What makes you think the US would WANT us?

It is an economically depressed area; the only natural resources worth thinking about is a little water, lots of coal which few use any more, and a whole lot of unemployed people. The fishery, which at one time was a gold mine, is pretty well fished out thanks to the draggers and trawlers from Europe and Japan that the Canadian government didn't have the guts to drive out. Most of the other minerals have already been exhausted. Does the USA need more unemployed? Not hardly.

But the entire argument is academic anyway because Quebec is never going to separate. They are not stupid, those people. They know as well as the rest of Canada that all they have to do is threaten separation and the Canadian government will panic and heap a whole new bunch of perks on them to keep them happy.

As for anyone criticsing the US, anyone who does simply does not understand. I read with interest the posting, once again, of Gordon Sinclair's tribute to "The Americans." Folks, I knew Gordon Sinclair. No, no personally, but I lived in Toronto when he owned a radio station there. He was abusive and rude, even downright annoying at times; but he told it like it is! I heard the original broadcast of that editorial... it caused quite a stir in Toronto, and I'm proud to say that most Torontonians were behind him all the way.

I am not a native American, but lemme tell you, I am VERY PROUD than I am now a part of this country! As any who reads the story Kenny that I will begin posting soon will see, throughout my entire life, every time I encountered a crisis in my life that seemed insurmountable, I found the solution in the USA.

The USA is not perfect, and it probably never will be. But to quote the introduction to an old TV show, every alternative is so much worse!

[A-1 (imported)]

A-1, my friend, I still thing you're going too far.

I come from the country of the holocaust and have grown up in a time when it was talked up a little clearer at last, even in school.

The thing you ponder as a teenager is of course:

"How did they justify THIS in front of THEMSELFS?"

I think that what happened in Germany with the Holocaust could have happened in any country. It could have happened here in the USA if we did not give all groups equality. Pick your ethnic group, it can happen to them if we allow it to go that far. Love you brothers only when they can be trusted not to kill you in your sleep.

There is a step by step procedure in genocide. WWII Germany just went further down the road than most others have. Oh, there are exceptions. Pot-Pol in Asia, Idi Amin in Africa, and the list goes on and on.

Sure, we have to be on the look out for and eternally vigilant that we do not fall into this trap as a society and as humans. No one is infallable. No one, on country, no religion, no ethnic group, nobody!

With that being said let's look at what happened to the Jewish people. 2000 years of wandering through different countries. NEVER becoming part of the so-called "melting pot". Never losing their ethnicity. No people have done this. This is very, very unusual. Well, all of that aside.

When a group gets constantly down-trodden, discriminated against and violated they will get a tough-as-nails attitude. This can be applied to Palestinians, Jews, Africans, Latinos, it does not matter what the group is or how they percieve themselves violated. It is their perception that makes them this way.

When you deal with a group like this you must remember one thing. If they will not make peace then they will fight till the death. The Al-Quada is such a group. Worse, they are based in religous fanaticism. When they die killing Americans, they get 72 virgins and some such (camel)(bull)shit, take your choice.

Until someone can tell me how they can justify 9-11 then my position is that the only Good Al-Quada is a DEAD Al-Quada. I know that they think that America is the cause of the Palestinian situation. I know that they think that America can control Israel.

The facts are that they have a mass delusion. Something like the JIM Jones "SUICIDE CAMP" in Ghianna. (Sp?) Something Marshall Applegate's suicide cult in California that killed themselves over a comet sighting.

They are killing themselves like the Japanese Kamikaze or (divine wind) pilots did in WWII. This fanaticism is part of the reason that Harry Truman had the A-Bomb dropped on them. It is a terrible, terrible reality check, but killing the populations of those cities saved over a million lives because they saw that their position was futile. We were at war. Another damned war that America didn't start.

The groups that I mentioned are only harmful to themselves and those immediately involved with them. When these BASTARDS start attacking America and it's civilian population then you damned betcha I'd kill every last one of them if I could.

No, we are not mad here in America, but we are damned angry. Some no-good M***her F**kers in the middle east better watch out! They want a war?, they are messing around with the survivors of the cold war!

The only way that these rabid dogs will rest now is when they are dead. I hope that they have given their souls to Allah because their asses belong to us!

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[Charlieje (imported)]

Well said, A-1!

To quote Toby Keith, notwithstanding Peter Jennings (he's Canadian, I'm ashamed to say)...

We'll put a BOOT IN YOUR ASS!!!!

[A-1 (imported)]

Gus and friends...

Did you hear the story about the guy who runs the X-rated internet sites that tried to set up a "sting" to catch the Al-Quada and he could not get the FBI to respond quick enough?

Interesting story. Check it out!

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld ... ul30.story

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[A-1 (imported)]

...if that one doesn't make the hair stand out on the back of your neck then check this one out!

http://www.itshappening.com/

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[RavenWings (imported)]

OK, I'm an historian, and I know that what I'm about to say is going to get right up some people's noses. The US has done some really bad things on the World's stage in the past 150 years. There have been all kinds of justifications, all kinds of promises, and all kinds of injustices. We (the US) cannot make those go away with a mere wave of a Presidential order. What we can do is help people out as much as we can, and if their government isn't helping them, take the help directly to the people.

The first thing we have to do is to stop differentiating between the corrupt regeimes that say they are all for us and are secretly (or openly) oppressing their people and those out there who are doing the exact same thing but saying that they oppose us.

That said, the US is still one of the best countries in the world. It does have some flaws, some areas that could be improved, but over all, it is still a great country. Men like Bin Laden hate us because we are great, but we have given him and those who follow him enough to use to justify the attacks on America simply with all the broken promises we have made in the past 50 years.

Thank you for listening to my rant. A true patriot is someone who loves their country despite the problems, and works to fix them.

[luvpain (imported)]

Ravenwings,

Well put.

I call myself a patriot, I think the USA is great and love living here. Hell I have lots of ideas on how to express my patriotism. My Apartment is basically decorated in red, white & blue. I'm getting my first tattoo (American eagle & flag on upper leg) this weekend to demonstrate my patriotism. I've got other Ideas for tattoos to display my pride in America, right now thinking about a tattoo on my full back as a tribute to America and the 9/11 tragedy, and how patriotic would I be having my dick tattooed with red an white stripes and sac done in blue with white stars. A patriotic poker :tongueout

I love America even though I know there are problems that need to be resolved. I don't think it will be easy to wipe out all the corruption that occurs in the government. Especially after the last president demonstrated that you can get off real easy for lies corruptions, etc.

Well I'll stop ranting and making any more comments to piss people off.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Ravenwings

As a History buff myself I would agree with you. We have not ever been in a war we did not want to be in. We do give aid to country’s to fit our own needs. Granted this is true. I still think the good that we do out weights the bad.

Example, the peace corps, not much more needs to be said on this one. When a country has a disaster be it volcano, typhoons, hurricanes, earthquake, or what ever, what country is always the first to offer help, to send aid, aid in food water medicine housing, clothing, you name it.

I can’t and don’t always agree with what goes on in Washington as a matter of fact I don’t think I have voted for any president that has won in years. I still vote. The American people have a sprite that is different from any place else, any place in the world. There are a lot of wonderful country on this old earth that I have only read about and a couple that I have been able to visit. I would never wish to insult any of them.

I think that part of our arrogance comes from knowing that we are a country of philanthropist, all of us are that way, 911 proved that to me more then ever by the amount of money that was donated. No other country on earth has done that, at the scale that Americans give to my knowledge.

It hurts when you know a lot of your tax dollars are going to aid to other country’s and then get sand kicked in your face for it.

Remember the words of one of our presidents of the past. “You can please some of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but don’t expect to please all of the people all of the time.” Abe Lincoln. His words we true then and now. No matter what we do or say, somebody is going to be pissed at us, that’s just the way it is. And at this point in my life I would just as soon the USA stopped all aid to all country’s, let some of the other rich proud country’s of the world pick up the slack. For that matter we should get out of NATO and the United Nations, we no longer need to belong to them everybody hates that we are in it. Pull our forces back and just protect our shores and let the rest of the world take care of themselves. OK before you go into shock, what does history tell you, If the USA did that there would be a world war in no time, how can I make such a statement? Simple, history repeats its self. The world has always had a tyrant, and if other country’s wish to look at us that way, I am ok with it. Hopefully we do more good then bad.

The best thing about our country is we are made up of a little of everything, we come from every country in the world speak every language, we are every color, and we are every religion. There are others that can make that claim, but not many.



OK I am a flag waver

[RavenWings (imported)]

I do agree with much of what you are saying. Though, I think that we should remain in the UN and to try and help people as much as we can. If you get a chance, read "Struggle for the Soul of the 21st Century." I think it is still on the BBC web site. It was a speach given by former President Clinton last year about the rise of terrorism and tribalism in the world. In there he mentions that under his administration a programme was begun that gave out microloans to people in developing countries. This money was almost always paid back with interest and helped to build up the economies of those areas it was started in. Unfortunately, the current administration did not continue that programme.

Secretary General Annan of the UN told Africa point blank that 'we cannot expect everyone else to help us out until we help ourselves.' He said that at the first meeting of the African Union, which is based upon the European Union. I think that the world needs to hear a lot more of that, to be honest.

In the past we have tried isolationism, and it did not work. Durring the Cold War, we interfered in everyone's afares and that didn't work. We need to tread a light path between those extreames. Unfortunately, yes, we are arrogant, and not just because we are so philanthropic. We have always been this way; it is a legacy of Manifest Destiny. To me, it is time to put aside the idea that we are the greatest and there can be no better. Rome felt that way, and it was destroyed. Britian felt that way, and its empire came tumbling down. We are at the point that Britain was after WWI, slidding downward in the world power game.

There are many ways to go, but I feel that we are already neck deep in the problem as it is. If we pull out of everywhere, then we will be hated just that much more. And when the next attack occurs, we won't have anyone to help us track down the people who did it because everyone will be turned against us.

But then, this is my oppinion, and you have yours. As Voltaire said "I may disagree with what you say, but I shall defend unto my death your right to say it."

[A-1 (imported)]

First of all, welcome to our community.

Next, I have a bone to pick with you, (so to speak). You say that...

...but we have given him [binLaden]

and those who follow him enough to use to justify the attacks on America simply with all the broken promises we have made in the past 50 years.

Well, I suppose that we should just grease up the 'ol bunghole and bend over the 'ole barrell and say here, Mr. binLaden, come and fuck us over some more. We need it, real bad! But, please, SIR, would it be to much for us to ask you for just one little kiss before you 'put it to' all of us bitches again?

We Americans really like for you to come over here and knock down tall buildings in big cities, kill women, children, crash domestic air liners and terrorize the civilians just to make us feel guilt for how we have treated the Arabs, especially the ones from your home country of Saudia Arabia.

Oh, Mr binLaden. How can you ever forgive the American Oil companies for making you and your whole family multi-millionaires with our filthy American dollars supplied mostly by the working class of America trying to make an honest living commuting to work and such?

Would it put us in better stead if we took a platoon of Marines and nullified them and sent them to be the foot servants of your noble Al-Quada?

I suppose that next you will expect us to actually believe that it is our own faults that America has been attacked and offer to pay all Arabs $$ reparations $$. If so, I will start the fund by sending Paolo 50 cents on Pay Pal.

Perhaps Kristoff will correct me if I am wrong, but there is a DSMIII classification for this type of twisted reasoning. I won't get into the technicalities, but blaming the victims for a crime committed against them is a sign of mental illness. Now, I didn't say that you were sick,,,,well,,,,not really. But if it flies like a Pigeon and coos to us while it shits on patriotic statues, then, WELL! 'NUFF SAID!

So, with that, you didn't really mean what I took you to mean in your quote, did you?

If so, actually, I just love discussions with terrorist sympathizers...but then again, I love T-bone steaks and open pit hog roasts, too.

Why do you think that they call me A-1?

Ah, you don't have any religous rules against eating pork, do you? Cows are a little big to roast in a pit.

Hey! I have a GREAT idea! Perhaps we can meet sometime at a Indiana country farmhouse that I know. It is somewhere where we can discuss this in more detail undisturbed over an open pit hog roast?

You can just fly into Indianapolis International and then go to the zoo and try to kill a lion or two just for the hell of it! I will meet you at the Orangutan cage so that you can have a chance to converse with some of your close relations. Maybe they can tell you that real primates do not kill each other for no reason.

Not to worry, I think that if you fly first class nobody will notice as long as you break down and bathe first. Oh, please leave your box cutters at home this time, O.K.? I wouldn't want some pilot to off you with his '38 because that would just ruin my chance to have you for dinner.

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