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Re: Bullying

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:03 am
by tugon (imported)
Thanks Peter for your post and I am not surprised you were more concerned for your bully than he was of you. I like you do not think much about those days until I watch a series on how to stop bullying. I think my greatest feeling when discussing those days is humiliation. Of those who have been bullied I wonder the percentage who happen to be introverts. I was always shy and told I was too sensitive.

Until I was awakened to the number of gay youth suicides I falsely thought it was getting easier. In some large or liberal areas it may be but many are still suffering. Now as I watch a news series on bullying it seems very much that bullying is more common. Learning about the problem has caused me to revisit my days.

Re: Bullying

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:59 am
by Richard_Less (imported)
Has Bullyism changed since then?

I grew up being bullied, mostly by boys, in the 80-90's. In my case it was due to a certain physical characteristic I had no control over, but I was constantly bullied, teased, left out of recess activities, etc. Even younger kids were involved, though mostly their torment was being affraid of me as if my condition was contageous.

Even looking back it is still rather surprising the hatred and mistreatemtn of me, considering the ease at which I could do things despite my condition that even some of the best of them had difficulty with. I suppose in that sense some could have resentment, but others you would havve thought would have opened eyes and hearts.

I was teased quite constantly over many years - and most often the principal target - others were mostly "normal". White caucasion people were about 1/3 of the typical population, the rest spread between portugese (perhaps 1/2) and other european and asian people and a few indians so racial issues were not really issues - not enough of any one kind to really have minorities. I may be biased, but I think that I had it worse than a lot of "normal" people might have had, or are today.

I do think bullying today can be quite different - while many of the same taunts and names might be used, the bullying can extend beyond the playgroud these days. Once I got home, I could retreat in solitude and regroup for the next day. Today kids get e-mail, text, and phone calls 24/7 and can be bullied by faceless people they haven't even met. In that regard I can be quite worse.

I've never really found a technique, other than to bottle it up, to deal with bullies. I was always told "Don't let them see it bothers you and they'll get board and go away". That just seemed to challenge them to see what it took to bother me. Tried talking to them as in "I don't like when you do that" or "Please don't" and then I'd be teased about that as well.

One thing that I think worked, or at least helped, was to do things or act a certain way that they would tease me about - which took away a bit from being teased about the things I had no control over. Still hurt, but the sting just a bit less intense. In hind sight I suppose I had some control over them, but that's like saying you control a moster by guiding them to bite your foot instead of your hand - you're still bitten.

Re: Bullying

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:49 am
by tugon (imported)
Riven (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:15 pm I'm completely with you Tugon. I was bullied at school and had a horrible time. Problem was I'd moved in from another part of the country so my accent set me apart. I was also an insecure child having been separated from my parents when I was 2-3 while my mother had a spell in hospital. I guess the bullies spotted that I was timid and shy and they picked on me. I really hated most of my school days. I think bullying is a very difficult to stop, but any kind of awareness raising is a good thing.

I am glad you mentioned that you were timid and shy. Also having the accent that set you apart. The double whammy of being shy and having a difference from the group. My being shy and not as masculine as the other boys was like blood in the water with the sharks circling.

Re: Bullying

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:17 pm
by tugon (imported)
One of the young people on AC 360 talked about his experience being bullied. He said that in school he was busy trying to survive more than trying to learn. I graduated from high school with a little over a 2. grade average. In college my grades were 3.5 or higher. As someone said on the show you learn better when you are safe.

Re: Bullying

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:51 am
by Fixet (imported)
Sorry to bump this older thread, but I would like to add a comment.

My bullying started in 2nd grade (groep 4)

I think I was 7/8 years old.

I didn't fit the learning system of the school.

My speech was bad, I spoke the words unhearble for the most, my spelling/writing was terrible bad.

I remember we had to write 20 words on a paper. The teacher word say them one by one.

Of course I had them all 20 wrong. The teacher was so frustrated by that, I would humility me at front of the class, calling me "You will never succeed in live, you will be shit holl digger" Or he would hit me.

Then the bullying of the other children started aswell.

The next grades, it didn't improve anything, and the teachers did do anything about my bad learning.

In the last grade, I was 12 years, my writing was still very bad, I couldn't read clocks, couldn't spell the alphabet etc.

Number of times my mother brought me to school because I didn't want to. (school was 5 minutes walk)

I never did anything about the bullying, I just sat there and did nothing.

Around my 14e year the bullying stopped. I remember that very well as a turning point in my life.

My thinking pattern changed then, and I could starting to learn much better. Maybe because of grown-up or a coping mechanism to protect(better) myself.

I think I starting to block all my emotions, and starting to think logical.

For a very long time I believed my teacher that I was nothing more then shit, and as today I still have problems with it.

Re: Bullying

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:03 am
by cheetaking243 (imported)
I also had quite the issue with bullying in school.

It never got to the level of physical violence in my case, but there was definitely a LOT of teasing directed at me. I got teased in elementary school for having a girl as a best friend a lot, and then by middle school I got teased because I was a "pussy" or "gay" due to the fact that I still wore short shorts, sang soprano in choir, and acted in a very feminine manner. And in retrospect, the reason why is probably just because I was a VERY easy target. Because when people teased me, I didn't retaliate. I just whined and complained. When I got teased, my reaction was a very passive feminine one, where I just didn't seem to understand the lack-of-compassion mindset that the boys had, and so when they teased me my reaction usually wasn't retaliation, but rather whining "STOOOOP!" Which made me a VERY easy target. And my other most common reaction was telling a teacher about it, but honestly my teachers never did a damned thing about it. They just made suggestions like "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me," and "just ignore them."

I tried pretty much everything. Back in elementary school I actually would try to hit the boys who were teasing me, (and I got in trouble for that a LOT,) but I was a TERRIBLE hitter. I've never had any upper-body strength. So on the rare occasion that I did land a punch, (which I almost never did, because the other kids were too fast for me,) the punches were so pathetic that the other guy usually just ended up laughing at me. In fact, word got out about how pathetic my punches were, and there were actually a lot of boys who challenged me to hit them as hard as I could, because they knew that I pretty much couldn't hurt them with my hands no matter how hard I tried.

My mom and my uncle always told me that the reason other kids were teasing me was because they were jealous... because I was the smartest kid in the school, and because the other kids found that threatening to them. That's why they hated me, they said. And that's why they were always looking for ways to bring me down from my high horse. And I will admit that I deserved some of it. Because I was indeed a bit of a show-off. Whenever I excelled, I always had this big stupid grin on my face because I was so pleased with myself. I always bragged about being in 6th-grade math as a 4th-grader, and bragged about getting the top test scores in the class, and bragged about winning school academic competitions. So in a way, I deserved it. But that still doesn't make it hurt any less.

Now, if we're going to get into the recent anti-bullying movement, I think one of the BIG problems with it is that it's all about talking about how terrible it is to be a bully... but I don't think most kids even realize that they're a bully. Because to them, what they're doing seems rational. They don't introspectively look at their own behavior and realize "shoot, I'm bullying someone," they're just doing what seems natural to them. So I think there needs to be a bit more of a focus on exactly what bullying behavior is... so that kids can realize better that they're doing it, rather than the whole good-versus-evil mindset where "if you're a bully, you're a bad person," but nobody sees themselves as a bully, because every single kid in the world thinks that they're being good, no matter what they do.

Man, this post was all over the place. But whatever. Those are my thoughts.

Re: Bullying

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:36 am
by tugon (imported)
Thank you for bumping and sharing. I can so relate to having a hard time learning when afraid. I am so sorry you had such an untalented and abusive teacher. A skilled teacher would have worked with you in a way that you could learn.

I am glad you are letting those negative words go. It is good that you can look into yourself and know all of what you heard in those days was not true. I think we all internalize the negative things we are told. I played back those negative messages for far too many years.

I wish you and all our bullied/abused members much peace and joy.

Re: Bullying

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:38 am
by A-1 (imported)
Bullys are STUPID...

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Re: Bullying

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:22 am
by tugon (imported)
Thank you also for contributing. I think the verbal abuse is worse than physical abuse. The body heals before the heart. I remember the nick name and ugly words they called me more than how the punches felt.

I find it interesting that many of us had no idea how to end the bullying. Of course when your entire class or school turns against you there is not much to do. I know I became a victim at a very early age due to abuse in the home. I think my demeanor at the time let everyone know I was an easy mark. What made me shy, quiet and withdrawn is what set me apart.

You may be right that bullies do not know they are bullying. I think they believe they are just having fun. They laugh so how bad can it be.
cheetaking243 (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:03 am I also had quite the issue with bullying in school.

It never got to the level of physical violence in my case, but there was definitely a LOT of teasing directed at me. I got teased in elementary school for having a girl as a best friend a lot, and then by middle school I got teased because I was a "pussy" or "gay" due to the fact that I still wore short shorts, sang soprano in choir, and acted in a very feminine manner. And in retrospect, the reason why is probably just because I was a VERY easy target. Because when people teased me, I didn't retaliate. I just whined and complained. When I got teased, my reaction was a very passive feminine one, where I just didn't seem to understand the lack-of-compassion mindset that the boys had, and so when they teased me my reaction usually wasn't retaliation, but rather whining "STOOOOP!" Which made me a VERY easy target. And my other most common reaction was telling a teacher about it, but honestly my teachers never did a damned thing about it. They just made suggestions like "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me," and "just ignore them."

I tried pretty much everything. Back in elementary school I actually would try to hit the boys who were teasing me, (and I got in trouble for that a LOT,) but I was a TERRIBLE hitter. I've never had any upper-body strength. So on the rare occasion that I did land a punch, (which I almost never did, because the other kids were too fast for me,) the punches were so pathetic that the other guy usually just ended up laughing at me. In fact, word got out about how pathetic my punches were, and there were actually a lot of boys who challenged me to hit them as hard as I could, because they knew that I pretty much couldn't hurt them with my hands no matter how hard I tried.

My mom and my uncle always told me that the reason other kids were teasing me was because they were jealous... because I was the smartest kid in the school, and because the other kids found that threatening to them. That's why they hated me, they said. And that's why they were always looking for ways to bring me down from my high horse. And I will admit that I deserved some of it. Because I was indeed a bit of a show-off. Whenever I excelled, I always had this big stupid grin on my face because I was so pleased with myself. I always bragged about being in 6th-grade math as a 4th-grader, and bragged about getting the top test scores in the class, and bragged about winning school academic competitions. So in a way, I deserved it. But that still doesn't make it hurt any less.

Now, if we're going to get into the recent anti-bullying movement, I think one of the BIG problems with it is that it's all about talking about how terrible it is to be a bully... but I don't think most kids even realize that they're a bully. Because to them, what they're doing seems rational. They don't introspectively look at their own behavior and realize "shoot, I'm bullying someone," they're just doing what seems natural to them. So I think there needs to be a bit more of a focus on exactly what bullying behavior is... so that kids can realize better that they're doing it, rather than the whole good-versus-evil mindset where "if you're a bully, you're a bad person," but nobody sees themselves as a bully, because every single kid in the world thinks that they're being good, no matter what they do.

Man, this post was all over the place. But whatever. Those are my thoughts.

Re: Bullying

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:43 pm
by Fixet (imported)
Well they say that you grow a stronger person when your bullied. I think that is true to some degree.

I wonder if its one things that sets you to be bullied?

As for me, I was shy, I was always alone, I was a dreamer, I was passive, as a child I could not learn. I did not behave as the rest of the group.

I did have a good family, no abuse.

Much later when I was in my twenties, I found out I had dyslexia. But I learned myself how to get used to it. That could be found out back then by the school/teacher, it was in the early nineties already a common thing.

Last year I have been diagnosed with autism-spectrum.

When a other child was bullied, and sometimes fighting back and win, I also thought I want to fight back, but I never did. I was to afraid, and if I didn't do anything, it would go away for a while.
tugon (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:36 am Thank you for bumping and sharing. I can so relate to having a hard time learning when afraid. I am so sorry you had such an untalented and abusive teacher. A skilled teacher would have worked with you in a way that you could learn.

I am glad you are letting those negative words go. It is good that you can look into yourself and know all of what you heard in those days was not true. I think we all internalize the negative things we are told. I played back those negative messages for far too many years.

I wish you and all our bullied/abused members much peace and joy.