I have not seen the movie, nor read the book, not yet.

Fictional stories can reach into the depths of the phantasmagoria of humanity's intransigently destructive hatred of humans as no scholarly accurate reconstruction of fundamentally literal recitation of allegedly historical events may ever pretend to imagine as possible.

Anyone see the connection of the Eunuch Archive fiction stories with other forms of historical fiction, apropos of bringing toward the surface of conscious awareness aspects of terrors vastly horrible far beyond that which is both immensely beyond too painful ever otherwise remember and incredibly more important than can ever be forgotten?

A while ago, I was at a live stage performance of the musical, "Chicago." While I have a DVD of the movie version, I find some aspects of the live stage version to be poignant beyond what I find that movies can ever contain. In both the stage and movie versions, Roxie's once upon a time husband sings a song, "Cellophane Man." There but invisible, and not actually noticed by anyone. Toward the end of the stage play, other characters ask for "exit music," and the orchestra plays their exit music. However, when the Cellophane Man husband asks for his exit music, the music is a short variation of the John Cage work, 4'33". The sound of silence, which sound is never actually silent.

My wife sometimes is somewhat flummoxed when she asks me some seemingly simple question that I experience as having an unexpressed fallacy in the form of an implicit false premise. Because the way in which I am autistic apparently has ruled out my ever learning to experience thinking in words or in pictures, such implicit premise fallacies being experienced by me as inseparable from the otherwise-useful question, I am generally rendered bereft of words in response to such questions.

Folks who are not well versed in the ways of autism have commonly regarded my being autistic as an absurdity, as I can often disperse compound plethoras of wordage. When I attempt to give an account for this, often by saying that I collect all the words I can find in the oft-vain hope that one or more will actually work to convey a meaning I experience as worth sharing, many folks have access to the beauty of extricating themselves from my presence. I may understand more of the Cellophane Man than I will ever understand.

A few minutes ago, on Wikipedia, I found the following, '... Roger Ebert proposes that the film is not even attempting to be a forensic reconstruction of Germany during the war, but "about a value system that survives like a virus." '

What else could functionally condemn humanity into unrelentingly, unwittingly striving to save itself by first destroying itself?

Who remembers the My Lai strategic hamlet? Who understands completely what happened there?

Perhaps I can illustrate how I experience questions that I find have fallacies as essential, implicit premises...

In an effort to help my wife grasp some trace of understanding, I wrote out the following and showed it to her:

"The Why resistor were was apples running in very the hot basket.?"

That is made of the interleaving of the following two word strings:

"The resistor was running very hot." "Why were apples in the basket?"

I propose considering the following, a brief excerpt from Chapter 1, "Schizoid Factors in the Personality (1940) as found in my copy of W. Ronald D. Fairbairn, "An Object Relations Theory of the Personality," Basic Books, 1952:

Mental processes of a schizoid nature have laterly come to occupy my attention to an increasing degree; and cases in which such processes are sufficiently marked to impart a recognizably schizoid complexion to the personality now seem to me to provide the most interesting and fruitful material in the whole field of psychopathology.

Fairbairn's work was largely akin to the life of the Cellophane Man until the late 1980s. Fairbairn's personality model contrasts massively with the Freudian model which was prevalent during Fairbairn's life work. For those who are willing to read only one book on Fairbairn's work, I have found David P. Celini, "Fairbairn's Object Relations Theory in the Clinical Setting," Columbia University Press, 2010, to be a likely good exposition.

"The Why resistor were was apples running in the very hot basket.?" is of an effort on my part to give a hint of the way I experience the schizoid nature of the mental processes of people who, via groupthink, are commonly deemed to be "normal."

The schizoid nature of the mental processes of commonly deemed "normal" people is my best candidate thus far for the "virus" alluded to by Roger Ebert.

When the only viable way of telling necessary truth is through fiction, the fiction that fiction is only fictional may out itself, along with the destructive fiction that fiction is falseness.

BBC have just shown the film Boy in the Striped Pyjamas in the UK and it was so intense I was moved to tears by the tragic ending. It certainly deserves the Oscar.

Quillman UK

Quillman (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:55 pm BBC have just shown the film Boy in the Striped Pyjamas in the UK and it was so intense I was moved to tears by the tragic ending. It certainly deserves the Oscar.

Quillman UK

You are joking, aren't you?

You are joking, aren't you?

Nothing I have said would suggest a joke. Why can't I be sincere for once in a while?

Quillman UK

I watched another holocaust related film made in Germany/Austria 2007, hence English subtitles is 'Die Fälscher' aka 'The Counterfeiters'. Aparently based on true story during WW2 for anyone interested.

Another good movie is the French 'Elle s'appelait Sarah' subtitled in English 'Sarah's Key' 2010. Factual and a link with the US, some of the dialogue is in English. In my opinion better than Striped Pyjamas.