A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:40 pm I understand. THEY use God to blame the victim. It is an old ploy...until it happens to them...

It isn't even that they blame the victims, they say because WE are sinful, God is punishing the Japanese or the planet....I know there are plenty of believers of God(dess) that also understand and believe in science. We KNOW why earthquakes happen, we know why hurricanes happen, and we even know why weather patterns are becoming more extreme. So much easier to just deny Global Warming or other sciences and blame God...

I pretty much agree with most of the comments...having grown up in South Florida, living though several hurricanes - actually staring up through the eye - I guess maybe Wisconsin is the safest state, if you can stand the winters.

Hi Guys, I'm not a doomsday prophet myself and don't blame God for every bad thing that happens on earth, BUT, is it not amazing how it was prophesied in the Bible how a time will come where earthquakes, floods, hunger, hatred, LOVING MONEY, CHILDREN DISOBEYING THEIR PARENTS, and more... will occur much more in frequency; "...and people will still not believe."

Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that God does NOT have His judgment in for us disobeying His laws?

If it IS TRUE, then His return is at hand and who will be able to stand before Him?

Just think about it. What is there to loose?:-\

Yes..I am absolutely sure there is no god...ergo...no judgements by said make-believe god... But, I sure feel bad for those poor people in Japan..

dragonfly

butterflyjack (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:26 am Yes..I am absolutely sure there is no god...ergo...no judgements by said make-believe god... But, I sure feel bad for those poor people in Japan..

dragonfly

Yes, I also feel bad for them. It is a terrible tragedy the struck them.

Just curios...how can you be ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no God? If you know half of ALL knowledge in the universe, is it not possible that God exists in the other half you don't know about; or do you posses ALL the knowledge.

PS. It's just an interesting question; not a way to find an argument.

Regards.

OK, lets break it down,

If you go out to the USGS and look at that site you will find that there are no more earthquakes or volcano's today then there were 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, the ones we notice today that happen near population centers make the news, that is all.

As for kids rebelling yes, it happened in Rome 2000 years ago and its happening today the only difference is that today there are a lot more people.

When you read the Bible as a whole it tells a story of a people, how to live, how to treat others, when you start pulling out rhyme and verse to make a point you miss the whole point of the Bible in the first place, which Christians have been doing for two thousand years.

Sense the dawn of man, man saw the need for a god and invented one to suite his own needs. I would think after 13.5 billion years if there were a god, he would have made a few improvements other then let nature take its course, which maybe be what he/she/it intended in the first place, in which case I see no reason to put my faith in such a being that is so indifferent to this world, one of billions.

This is know as the Insignificant God Syndrome or IGS.

Question: Is there a GOD?

Answer: YES now there is, send money to Riverwind and I will make sure you have a place in my kingdom.

Cash only and in small unmarked used bills.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:59 am OK, lets break it down,

If you go out to the USGS and look at that site you will find that there are no more earthquakes or volcano's today then there were 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, the ones we notice today that happen near population centers make the news, that is all.

As for kids rebelling yes, it happened in Rome 2000 years ago and its happening today the only difference is that today there are a lot more people.

When you read the Bible as a whole it tells a story of a people, how to live, how to treat others, when you start pulling out rhyme and verse to make a point you miss the whole point of the Bible in the first place, which Christians have been doing for two thousand years.

Sense the dawn of man, man saw the need for a god and invented one to suite his own needs. I would think after 13.5 billion years if there were a god, he would have made a few improvements other then let nature take its course, which maybe be what he/she/it intended in the first place, in which case I see no reason to put my faith in such a being that is so indifferent to this world, one of billions.

This is know as the Insignificant God Syndrome or IGS.

Question: Is there a GOD?

Answer: YES now there is, send money to Riverwind and I will make sure you have a place in my kingdom.

Cash only and in small unmarked used bills.

River

But is there room for Paolo? He is, after all, Dictator of the Earth.

YodaNell (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:36 am Yes, I also feel bad for them. It is a terrible tragedy the struck them.

Just curios...how can you be ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no God? If you know half of ALL knowledge in the universe, is it not possible that God exists in the other half you don't know about; or do you posses ALL the knowledge.

PS. It's just an interesting question; not a way to find an argument.

Regards.

I am not at all against this idea. I am open-minded regarding God and what God does. I am convinced, however, that God MUST have communication issues, especially if he used the Westburro Baptist Church recently to communicate with humanity.

Perhaps YOU can tell me why God punished the dinosaurs with that terrible asteroid and extinction. Were they, too, disobedient and did they not obey their Bibles?

Then, pray tell, of all the religions on the Earth today, which one is favored the most and why it is favored the most? Which religion does God use to communicate with humanity? If God uses more than one religion does God give each a conflicting viewpoint to see what the results might be?

OR, do you know the answers to these things?

If YOU do not can you tell me somebody who does?

Let me know, I have tried prayer, and so far that has been pretty one-sided.

kristoff wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:23 am But is there room for Paolo? He is, after all, Dictator of the Earth.

ALWAYS

River

YodaNell (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:36 am Yes, I also feel bad for them. It is a terrible tragedy the struck them.

Just curios...how can you be ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no God? If you know half of ALL knowledge in the universe, is it not possible that God exists in the other half you don't know about; or do you posses ALL the knowledge.

PS. It's just an interesting question; not a way to find an argument.

Regards.

I can’t be absolutely sure there is no god, because God, if God exists, is infinite and beyond my understanding. I can only be sure that the god of the Christians, the god of the Muslims, and the other man made gods don’t exist. The god of the Old Testament was a petty tribal god. How anyone can believe the maker of the Universe could possibly care about a minor tribe of people is beyond me.

Man, in his arrogance, has long wanted to believe he was at the center of the Universe. It has long since been proved that he isn’t. If he’s the reason God created the Universe, why did God wait 15 billion years to create him? The Universe got along fine all those years without him, and will get along fine without him, when he’s gone. In the timeline of the Universe, our existence is an insignificant, imperceptible, blip. Why would the god of the Universe care about our “sins?”

Shakespeare said the line quoted in my signature, “There is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so.” To God, to the Universe, nothing is good or bad. It just is. The dinosaurs weren’t wiped out for their sins. The Earth just found itself in the path of a meteor. Another such may well wipe out mankind, and if it does, it won’t be for man’s sins, either.

The idea that an infinite god could care whether one calls him by the proper name – Jesus – stretches my credulity beyond the breaking point. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that the god of the Bible exists, as it is inconceivable to me that the god of Islam exists. If one goes back far enough, after all, they are the same god.

The only religion - and it’s not a religion in the sense that Christianity is - that makes any sense to me is Buddhism, which is a way, a path, to enlightenment, not the belief in a supreme being. If one reaches a state of enlightenment, one awakes from the illusion of existence and experiences reality or oneness with the Universe. God, if one wants to use that term, doesn’t exist as a separate being. We, the Universe, are God, and can’t be separated from him no matter our beliefs. That we are separate egos, that we exist as separate individuals, is an illusion.

One interpretation of quantum mechanics is the “many-worlds interpretation.” There may be infinite universes in which infinite copies of us exist. There would be copies of you in some universes that believe in Christianity and copies in some universes that do not.

I’m not an atheist. I’m not arrogant enough to say there is no god. I resent those, Christian or Muslim, who say their god is God. That, too, is arrogance.