little boy castration

[happousai (imported)]

> [Castration]

is a permanent and IRREVERSIBLE action with serious consequences.

Mmm... puberty is also permanent and irreversible, and has serious consequences.

Once a boy has gone through puberty, he will never be the same again. His body will have developed male sexual characteristics. His voice will be forever changed. There will be hair all over his body - removing just facial hair would typically cost over $10,000 worth of electrolysis and take over a year.

This is not like, say, circumcision, where if the boy decides he wants it when he's turned 18, it can be done and achieves the same end result as if it were done when he was a child. In the case of castration however, both choices (to castrate the boy before puberty, or to not castrate him) are mutually exclusive.

I'm 20 years old. I can't say that I enjoyed my puberty. I resent having to shave all the time. I'm annoyed at how sometimes my pubic hair gets tangled with my foreskin. The acne was annoying. I have also had no real outlet for the typical strong male adolescent sex drive that I have (other than wasting countless hours surfing porn sites). I probably wouldn't have minded had I lost my testicles. (It could have happened too; I used to put rubber bands around my testicles at the age of 10. I always took them off after a few hours due to intense pain, though.)

I think that the main reason castrating boys is so taboo is that it would be unthinkable for mainstream society. If it could be put off until after 18, then of course the decision should be left until then. But since not castrating the boy before puberty is also an irreversible choice, perhaps the option of castration could be offered to the boy at age 10, with his full informed and educated consent.

Also, there is one option I brought up earlier that seems to be unexplored: Androcur. In the case of boys diagnosed with gender dysphoria (i.e. they're mentally female and think they want to become physically female as well), physicians sometimes prescribe testosterone-blocking medications to delay the development of secondary sexual characteristics for a few years while the child discovers his/her own sexual identity. If he decides that he is a boy, the medications can be stopped and puberty proceeds normally (albeit delayed). If she decides that she is a girl, then castration, SRS and female hormone therapy can be started, without the body having been masculinized by testosterone. Why can't Androcur be used here, too?

[A-1 (imported)]

You cannot go about making a decision like this for little boys.

There is no way to predict that they will feel like YOU do and regret being male or at least a functioning male. There is just no way to predict Gayness, Transexualism or any other thing that would make somebody desire castration later in life.

Regardless of how you feel personally, you cannot have a thing such as this done to a child. Even if the child tells you that they desire it.

There is no difference in principle between what you are proposing and surgically altering the genitalia of intersexed people. It is just plain WRONG to allow this to be done, let alone plan it and suggest to a child that it is RIGHT for them.

I hope that you can see what we are trying to tell you here. The part about the illegalness of the proposed action is secondary to the immorality of interceeding in another's life in this manner.

...And for the record circumcision is not right, either. The same principle applies, but not to the same extent.

A-1

[A-1 (imported)]

I do not want to play doctor here, but you cannot cause skeletal structual changes characteristic of either sex after the bone growth has occurred.

You cannot wait until age 18 to let the secondary sexual characteristics develop from the administration of sex hormones. Furthermore, Doctors make mistakes everyday. They are not God and they can be SUED for doing such things. With a child as plantiff, they would have virtually NO chance of winning such a lawsuit. In short, it ain't EVER gonna happen. ~NEVER, EVER~!

You cannot legally obtain an informed consent from a minor. What you propose would make a good fiction story on the EA, a daydream perhaps of a transexual, but it could never be reality.

What you propose involves predicting the future. Miss Cleo is off the air now and she will be lucky if she doesn't do some serious jail time.

Get the hint?

A-1

[Close Shave (imported)]

My sentiments, exactly! It is ok for girls to be masculine. Why can't boys be feminine? We must break down these unnatural barriers.

it's all pink inside (sitting or standing up)

[Paolo]

I think that the main reason castrating boys is so taboo is that it would be unthinkable for mainstream society. If it could be put off until after 18, then of course the decision should be left until then. But since not castrating the boy before puberty is also an irreversible choice, perhaps the option of castration could be offered to the boy at age 10, with his full informed and educated consent.

As A-1 mentions, there is no informed consent for a minor. Even at age 16 or 17, with a car and a valid drivers' license and a job, if a teen goes to the ER, the parents have to consent.

At age 10, I was taken to the ER by a cop when I was hit by a car. I was bleeding all over, forehead busted open, possible broken arm ... and they left me on the table while they tried to locate a parent. At that time, the cop pulled out his badge, waved it in the Doc's face, and ordered him to start work on me since the better part of my blood supply was in his truck. (Off duty at the time.)

Just two nights ago, we took C. to the ER with a broken arm. It's unbelievable, all the crap you have to go through with a screaming kid in the ER just to get them to look at him! Fortunately, they usually fall for the "mom's on the cell phone trick."

Again, there is no informed consent for a minor.

For a bit of perspective, let's take my example. At the age of 11 in 1978, I had become obsessed with the idea of the Italian Castrati. Remember the "Encyclopedia Brown" stories about an over-educated sleuthing boy? That was pretty much me. I came right out with it a physical and asked the Doc about it. The result : six weeks with a child psychologist and the beating of a lifetime! It was YEARS before the family would even take me seriously on anything again, not to mention the odd looks.

Today, the boy, no matter how informed or intelligent, would probably wind up in something like the Katheryn Hamilton Center (Crazy Kate's) or Res-Care for an even longer period!

It doesn't matter how one may feel about it, or in the rare case of an actually informed and understanding boy, it just isn't going to happen. Anymore, mentioning the fact that the boy even HAS genitals and knows what they're for is enough to land you in jail and him in some kind of 'care facility' (read : baby jail).

Look at all the hoopla that goes on over things like Don's recent fiasco with a cutter or the John W. Bobbitt case. Never mind the fact that we're talking about rational adult males in search of castration for whatever reason!

Can you imagine the zoo that it would be in the media on the issue of minor castration?

[Dave (imported)]

Just two nights ago, we took C. to the ER with a broken arm. It's unbelievable, all the crap you have to go through with a screaming kid in the ER just to get them to look at him!

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Three years ago I broke my leg (spiral fractures of the tibia and fibia) and since I get around in a wheelchair had to answer questions pointing to - - "Did my family break the leg as an abusive act?" - - and guess what guys and girls, I'm 52 years old.

I suspect that Paolo alos got those questions about the kids broken arm because they want to stop child beatings. Chances are, like any other kid, the arm was broken during play or a fall - - just an accident - - not deliberate abuse. . .

SO please tell me what would happen it you took a kid with a botched castration into the emergency room? Could it be anything other than jail time and court-ordered psychiatric evaluation?

Dave

[happousai (imported)]

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As A-1 mentions, there is no informed consent for a minor.

When I said "informed and educated consent", I didn't mean it in the legal sense. I meant "he knows exactly what is going to be done, and what the probable effects are".

I'm trying to leave standard US culture and laws out of this discussion (I'm not even American, myself). I'm guessing the starter of this thread isn't even in the US, since he ended his post with "Sorry my poor english.", in which case he isn't even going to be bound by US laws (although what he is proposing would probably be illegal in whatever country he is in).

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You cannot wait until age 18 to let the secondary

> sexual characteristics develop from the administration

> of sex hormones.

I wasn't thinking of waiting that long, actually - more like 15 at the latest. With an accelerated education, a 15-year old boy could be more mature than the average 18-year old. He still wouldn't be of legal age of course, but I'm thi

nking of this from an "underground" perspective.

> At age 10, I was taken to the ER by a cop when I

> was hit by a car. I was bleeding all over, forehead

> busted open, possible broken arm ... and they left me

> on the table while they tried to locate a parent. At

> that time, the cop pulled out his badge, waved it in

> the Doc's face, and ordered him to start work on me

> s

ince the better part of my blood supply was in his

> truck. (Off duty at the time.)

That's a good example of US culture and laws not taking minors as seriously as they should. (What if the hospital had wasted a lot of time trying to locate a parent, and the boy bled to death in the meantime?) Which is why I take it with a grain of salt. If a law doesn't make sense to me, then I will only obey it if it's convenient, or I'm afraid of getting caught breaking it. I have practiced underage drinking in a responsible manner, for example.

By the way, it would be interesting to hear why the original poster (deboys) is asking this question in the first place. Is he just curious, or does he really have a boy that he's considering castrating?

[Paolo]

By the way, it would be interesting to hear why the original poster (deboys) is asking this question in the first place. Is he just curious, or does he really have a boy that he's considering castrating?

And this is EXACTLY what disturbs not only me, but several other Archive members who've asked me to close this thread. I haven't done so in order to see where it leads, but I don't think I like where it's going.

As for the US laws aside part, I am not aware of any country that is LEGALLY sanctioning the castration of minors. However, as Jesus so eloquently stated earlier in the thread, it does seem to be happening in some areas - and this is just plain evil, all fantasy aside.

[A-1 (imported)]

If I were a betting man I would bet you that the "original poster" was somebody trying to get a line of responses that he could complain to the authorities about.

In case you haven't noticed they have been trying to restrict and censor the Internet lately. They need valid arguments to show legislators.

A-1

[LonePanther88 (imported)]

The greatest crime one can impose on another is deciding FOR them what their future will be sexually!!!

The revolutionary war, the civil war, world war one and two, Desert Storm, and this crap with osama bin laden together have taken almost countless lives. These people (soldiers) all fought so that YOU could grow up and know what freedom feels like. So that YOU could decide how your life goes not someone else. How would You like to grow up and WONDER (only) what being normal like all the other guys would be like?

I am only saying that your sexual future should be decided by YOU if at all possible.

To anyone that needs to look at a little boy rather than a beautiful Woman to get your juices flowing............it is my OPINION that you are seriously ill in the head