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Re: Paragraph breaks

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Slammr (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:33 am I could probably make a paragraph break or two, but, depending on how many stories are submitted, some times it takes more time than I would like to spend just to read them. I might do some editing, if I thought the story was otherwise exceptional, but most of those with such errors aren't.

That's pretty much the minor edits I was referring to.

Hmm I doth wonder what the program is like. Sounds like it's time to invoke the rites of the machine spirit and the Omnissiah.
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punkypink (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:14 pm That's pretty much the minor edits I was referring to.

Hmm I doth wonder what the program is like. Sounds like it's time to invoke the rites of the machine spirit and the Omnissiah.

I will not trash a good story because of minor formatting errors. I might correct the errors or submit the story as is. It's the marginal stories that are in danger of getting trashed - and I realize whether they're good or bad is subject to my or Paolo's subjective opinions.

I am not doing any major edits, unless someone wishes to start paying me editor wages. I'm sure Paolo feels the same as I do about that.
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Gandalf is correct with, “
gandalf (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:42 pm Your re-write is the preferred way of writing something.
” Yet, most editors would say that statement is one word and one hyphen verbose, and rewrite to: “Your re
gandalf (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:42 pm write is the preferred way of writing.
”

Slammr (Slammer is the preferred spelling) is brave with this thread. Writers are bonded to their writing as are parent-child. Yet, no one can be their own best editor; they can improve on their own if they put a piece away for a day or so and then re-read and do a more dispassionate rewrite.

Fortunately, many of us prefer the un-preferred; for example, I prefer Slammr and we all must revolt against those blasphemously suggesting that our very genre is un-preferred. There remains a nice variety of avant garde writing styles at EA, so vive la différence!

Gareth19 is likewise insightful with his “stream of consciousness” observation. That is very much in vogue, in many variations, with the script writers and associated actors I work with. Paragraph breaks must fit the essence. Let’s do a sample script clip as an exercise; it also illustrates effective “non-preferred” breaking the rules of no one word sentences and not starting a sentence with a conjunction nor ending it with a proposition:

Slammr enters, looking tall and handsome as ever, but taking in a loud deep breath with an air of irritation:

Fuck!

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

The venting has calmed him and he sits to edit a paragraph as tall as the Empire State Building into a more readable 102 landings of line breaks, so readers can catch their breath. Slammr finally fully exhales and one last word comes out, yet pleasantly this time:

Fuck.
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With all my other obtuse comments out of the way, let it be known that I love almost all the stories and the writers and the commentors at EA. It is funny that I can do business memos OK and I can get in on scripts OK but find it hard to do a short story at all well.

It has been my mission to read all 10,000 stories here and I probably have done half. Sometimes there are paragraph problems so I cut and paste from here into Word and then add a few Returns -- sometimes. Usually I can get through them and enjoy them. Some authors tend to tell the same story over and over again, albeit telling it well and with "preferred" elements of style; others have poetic styles in varying shades of weirdness, all of which I enjoy; others have hidden jokes within or deep historical references that take a little research on the side to decipher, all of which I enjoy as well.

I say post 'em and let the readers decide. If the paragraphs are too long for them, they can cut and paste and add returns on the fly as I have done. The thing I am trying to figure out as I try to figure out if I am brave enough to do a second story eventually is why the sequence stories seem to have so few readers (I think the thing at the bottom of the stories is a hit counter) for the most part.

Happy Thanksgiving to all! After every bite, return your fork to the plate for a new paragraph. When you burp, please do so in quotes. Thank you.

- NN (NeinNaziYahLittleNuts)
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NaziNuts (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:31 pm Slammr enters, looking tall and handsome as ever, but taking in a loud deep breath with an air of irritation:

Fuck!

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

NaziNuts, you are being unkind to Slammr. I'm sure he has a much bigger vocabulary than you give him credit for. He is more likely to utter

"Fuck, fuck, shit, oh damn, you stupid cunt, fuck fuck, moron, fuck." etc.
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Slammr ... is more likely to utter:
Kortpeel (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:02 am "Fuck, fuck, shit, oh damn, you stupid cunt, fuck fuck, moron, fuck."

Agreed.

But let's see how he does on his B-movie screen test mono-word monolog before we move him up the A-list to co-star with Angelina, one of the smarter cunts and one who would make our Wolf howl at night.

Some good writers, and Slammr clearly is one, can make the transition. Steve Martin comes to mind as an A writer and an A actor. Al Franken was an A writer but a B actor, yet his acting is improving.

To Slammr, our friend and mentor, thanks for being brave by starting this thread and hopefully laughing your ass off with us and not at us.

- NeinNaziYahLittleNuts
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Kortpeel (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:02 am NaziNuts, you are being unkind to Slammr. I'm sure he has a much bigger vocabulary than you give him credit for. He is more likely to utter

"Fuck, fuck, shit, oh damn,
NaziNuts (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:05 am you stupid cunt, fuck fuck, moron, fuck." etc.

Agreed.

But let's see how he does on his B-movie screen test mono-word monolog before we move him up the A-list to co-star with Angelina, one of the smarter cunts and one who would make our Wolf howl at night.

Some good writers, and Slammr clearly is one, can make the transition. Steve Martin comes to mind as an A writer and an A actor. Al Franken was an A writer but a B actor, yet his acting is improving.

To Slammr, our friend and mentor, thanks for being brave by starting this thread and hopefully laughing your
ass off with us and not at us.

- NeinNaziYahLittleNuts

Holy fucking shit! This is a motherfucking insult. I'm much more goddamn fucking literate than these pig fucking, piss poor, ass wiping, posts give me credit for being.
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Hey Kortpeel,

I think we just got sliced and diced.

And it felt good.

One bererage of Slammr's choice to everyone on me. Charge them to Kortpeel's account and I'll pay him on Tuesday.

Prost.

- NN

PS to Slammr, when are we going to get more of your great prose on the EA? Are you in an artistic interlude or what?
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NaziNuts (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:34 pm Hey Kortpeel,

I think we just got sliced and diced.

And it felt good.

One bererage of Slammr's choice to everyone on me. Charge them to Kortpeel's account and I'll pay him on Tuesday.

Prost.

- NN

PS to Slammr, when are we going to get more of your great prose on the EA? Are you in an artistic interlude or what?

Because my Slammr id is too well known on the Net, since I've used it or variations of it on other boards, I'm not writing any more stories using it. That doesn't mean I'm not posting stories anonymously or under a pseudonym.
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I've been reading and re-reading the Faulkner paragraph that Slammr presented for a few days now and I remain dazed. Not their fault, mine.

That is the most Faulkner I have able been able to read, albeit I forced myself to try to get through it. It probably is good writing. I have concluded that no way could I ever decide if the original or the altered was better even if I had all of the original in the context of what's before and after because it is hard to grasp by itself.

Probably all writers have varying thought processes. I was going to say that on this subject I have nothing to say, not because it is not interesting but because I can't get myself to any conclusions I can support all the time. So, maybe I will come back after churning it around some more in that area Poirot called the little grey cells.

How long should a paragraph be? How do we know those little cells are grey? These are profound questions. I remain dumfounded for answers, yet thankful that wisdom may evolve by asking thm.
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