In reply to some of the techniques mentioned above...

the hemostat method may work but they were not intended for this purpose. 1. I have thought about using a burdizzo just over the area you want to compress. As you have said, if you move the cords over to the side and just clamp off that area it would be less potentially injurious to the other areas. You might have to adapt the burdizzo for this by cutting off the protruding part on the edge of the burdizzo.

2. I agree that "minor" surgery would also work. It would be barely more difficult than a vasectomy. The difference is that with a vasectomy you are not cutting any blood vessels, just the spermatic cord. With the same small incision you could easily tie off the small artery, vein, and spermatic cord that go to each testicle which would effectively "kill" the testicle just like the burdizzo would do without the incision.

SmoothieSoon (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:34 am 2. I agree that "minor" surgery would also work. It would be barely more difficult than a vasectomy. The difference is that with a vasectomy you are not cutting any blood vessels, just the spermatic cord. With the same small incision you could easily tie off the small artery, vein, and spermatic cord that go to each testicle which would effectively "kill" the testicle just like the burdizzo would do without the incision.

You'd end up with a dead piece of flesh inside you with great risk for gangrene or necrosis. Stupid idea, very dangerous.

SmoothieSoon (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:34 am 2. I agree that "minor" surgery would also work. It would be barely more difficult than a vasectomy. The difference is that with a vasectomy you are not cutting any blood vessels, just the spermatic cord. With the same small incision you could easily tie off the small artery, vein, and spermatic cord that go to each testicle which would effectively "kill" the testicle just like the burdizzo would do without the incision.

You have to be kidding. You are proposing to open the sack some. Tie off the blood vessels and then leave the dead balls to rot in your sack. Lets see. You risk the possible infection from the cutting. The gangrene that WILL be in the balls. All of the puss that can can form. This has to be done in a very sterile area. Tie off the blood vessels. That is not as easy as one would think. There is always the other factors. Such as what if you did not tie off the vessels fully. Blood clots will form and you know where they will end up. Using any old thread would be very much not advised. Doctors use different types of sutures depending on what is being sowed. Judging from the very high failure rate of burdizzo and the infections. This idea sucks.

I think what you are proposing shows lack of medical knowledge. Doing this on yourself would be very hard. It is only my opinion. Think many others would fully agree.

I agree with Bobbie that the whole idea of opening the ball sac is a bad one. However, if, as many of the medical studies cited here suggest, successfully crushing the spermatic cords is a safe and effective means of castration, then the question merely becomes how to best cut off the blood flow. The problem with a burdizzo is that you are trying to cut off flow in a pipe that you cannot touch. Similarly, the problem with an elastralator, another commonly suggested non-surgical method, is that you cut off the flow by cutting off everything around the pipe. Smoothiesoon's suggestion to cut open the scrotum has a whole host of hazards. A simpler solution is to combine the first two approaches and simply squeeze the pipe directly using a tourniquet or ligature applied directly to the vessels supplying the testicle. Cut off the blood flow to the testicle, but not the scrotum, and you kill the testicle without running many of the risks of either surgical procedures or necrotizing elastralators. Taking this tack, I developed my own method of applying a tourniquet to the testicle directly, without surgery or appreciable risk of infection. Disclaimer: I am neither medically trained nor advocating this solution, but simply offer my own experience in joining the society of eunuchs.

The list of required utensils is relatively short: a 3ml 22ga syringe and needle, a 50 ml vial of 2% Lidocaine, an 18ga 1 1/2 in hypodremic needle, a 3-foot length of 30 lb test monofiliment fishing line, a 1 1/2in long 1in diameter dowel sawn in half length-wise, and a couple of thin carpenter's wedges.

I started by thoroughly prepping the area with isopropyl alcohol and sterilizing the monofilament by soaking it in alcohol. I then carefully pinched the scrotum between my forefinger and thumb, and slowly pulled the skin through my fingers, making sure that none of the veins or nerves escaped. When I had the entire bundle of spermatic cords/blood vessels tightly squeezed together, I took the syringe and injected about 2 ml of Lidocaine directly into the bundle. Then, I took the 18ga needle and pierced the scrotum next to my finger pinch, from the bottom through both layers of the sac, until the needle point exited upward. This effectively trapped the cord bundle in the fold of the sac. Taking the monofilament, I threaded it down through the needle until it exited the plastic connector at the bottom of the hypoderrmic needle and pulled about half of the 3 three-foot line through. Now came the "tricky" part. I re-wiped the needle point with an alcohol swap, then withdrew the needle part way, until it was inside the scrotum but free of the upper skin. Releasing my finger-pinch, I allowed the spermatic cords and blood vessels to go free. I then carefully edged the needle point along the interior sac wall from where it still penetrated the lower skin until reached the penetration in the upper side skin. This put the needle on the opposite side of the cord bundle from the monofilament line running through the ball sac. Getting the needle point within about 1/2 inch of the the upper penetration (marked by the protruding monofilament), I re-pierced the upper skin of the ball sac. Pulling the fishing line out of needle completed the loop around the cords. I then withdrew the needle and was done! With a few simple strokes, I had wrapped a length of 30-lb fishing line completely around all of the nerves, ducts, and blood vessels connecting the testicle to the body, but nothing else. The ligature could be tightened and left in place for as long as I wanted (or could physically endure) and the only thing that would be starved of life-giving blood is be the testicle itself.

The final step, of course, was to do exactly that, although it is not as simple as may first appear. Monofilament is quite strong in tension, but has little shear strength. If you try to tighten the tourniquet by twisting the line (e.g., make a garrote of it), the line will simply break before you have completely choked off the blood. I've tried using a winch-drum type of solution, but the simplest is to use a wedge. I took a 1 1/2 inch length of 1 inch diameter dowel and cut it half lengthwise, then cut a notch around the circumference (to keep the monofilament from slipping off). I placed the dowel on top of the protruding ends of the monofilament and wrapped the fishing line around it, making sure the line lay in the notch. Then, I pulled it as tight as I possibly could and tied off the ends. The cords and vessels were jammed up against the dowel, as the monofilament dug into them and cut off the blood flow. Of course, if the Lidocaine has not had time to work, this will prove to be a most painful exercise; you may need to inject some more Lidocaine in any case to deal with the discomfort as time passes. Because of the difficulty of getting sufficient tension with a simple know, and because monofilament has a tendency to stretch over time, I used the wedges to compensate. I slipped a wedge between the dowel halves from each end, and pushed them together, separating the dowel halves, until the ligature was as tight as a piano wire. You may need to adjust/add additional wedges depending on how tightly tied the initial knot was. The critical point is make sure that the tourniquet is tight enough to choke off all blood flow.

One question remains - how long to leave the tourniquet in place. The first time I tried this, I figured 3-4 hours should be sufficient. I figured wrong as the testicle seemed to recover within a few days. It may also have been that I simply didn't apply enough tension to the ligature to completely cut off the blood flow. Regardless, subsequent efforts were left in place (with periodic adjustments to maintain the tension) for a minimum of 14 hours. Trust me when I say that 14 hours is a long time to deal with the discomfort; although the pain does dull somewhat, you may need to keep the Lidocaine syringe handy. In any case, don't plan on moving around alot with the tourniquet in place. When you go to remove the tourniquet you have only to cut the monofilament to release the tension. Pulling the cut end back through the ball sac is a little delicate because a) the nerves will be quite sensitive after having been abused for the past 14 hours and b) the monofilament will be firmly embedded in the cord bundle. Take your time and be gentle. Once you have the monofilament out, take a hot shower to reduce any sensation of nausea.

The testicle will initially swell to about double its previous size; this will pass within a few days and begin to shrink significantly. After 3-4 weeks, it should be less than half its previous size. More importantly, it should be completely dead to the touch. I waited a month before trying again on the other side to gauge the net effect of the process (this time leaving the tourniquet on for a full 14 hours). When I found that it appeared to effectively kill the testicle with no side effects, I re-did the first side, which went much more smoothly since I had worked out the bugs (most particularly refining the tensioning system).

Disappointingly, or no, the testicles do not seem to atrophy completely. After two years, mine remain about the size of small grapes (and have about the same consistency). If your goal is to "go smooth", you'll probably have to go to a full surgical solution. If, on the other hand, you are more interested in simply disabling the testicular production of testosterone, you should be in luck. In my case, T levels had dropped from mid 600s to double digits 6 months after killing both testicles (same lab did both tests).

Once again, I am NOT advocating this as either a safe or effective technique for self-castration, although it worked quite well for me. I offer my experience simply as one approach to dealing with the compulsion to self-castrate.

Sounds like you are thinking you know what your are doing. But even you said that your were not sure about many of the aspects of your experiment. Things can seem very easy to do. In reality you did run the risk of slicing the blood vessels. Not knowing how tight to tie the cords was a risk. Pulling too hard you could have the vessels bleeding pulled inside your scrotum with no real way to stop things. One over looked area is that once the cords and vessels are cut, the remaining parts have a tendency to pull back towards the body or even in the groin. Darn hard to stop a bleeder with them out of sight. While your idea has some merits. It is also fulled with risks like all other methods. Could have more risks if the cords do pull inside the body.

This is more of a good "story line." One over looked part is what if you would pass out during the procedure. Hard to call for help while you could be bleeding. If most would try this method the results could very well be a bad choice.

Thanks for your thoughts. I had not considered the passing out issue, but I actually did think through the issue of tension and the risk of cutting through the cords. The choice of 30-lb test was not arbitrary - it is thin enough to clamp the cords (as verified by a test run on a piece of thin rubber tubing) but really too thick to act as a knife without much more tension than I could apply with the simple wedge I used. Minimizing movement with the clamp applied also reduced the risk of dynamic tension due to stretching the cords against a fixed restraint.

I have to agree with Ramses, it's much simpler and less painful to make an incision and fish out the cord, but it's still safer to have a professional do this, even if it's a vet.

http://eunuchinfo.com/methods.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkaAuM6SO8

"A small incision is made in each side of the scrotum. The cords are pulled out the incision, and pulled more, until the entire testicle is outside the scrotum. Now the cords (vas deferens) are tied off with a surgical knot. Then the entire cord is cut, and perhaps cauterized. The testicle is gone. The cord stub is put back in the scrotum and the incision is stitched up. The procedure is repeated on the other side and you are now an eunuch."

In response to some questions above -- the double clamping method I believe is recommended by some burdizzo manufacturers in their instructions.

In terms of whether burdizzo can be effectively applied to humans, it can, but we all know lots of people (including myself) that have tried it with bad results. I don't think having a doctor apply it really makes much of a difference -- they're not trained for such a thing -- but it is of course good to have a doctor involved in case something goes wrong.

One way to scare yourself off using a burdizzo is the following -- take a shoelace wrapped in a light cloth and use the burdizzo on it. You'll probably find that it cuts right through the shoelace (while not through the cloth). The point is that you run the risk of actually cutting the blood supply rather than crushing it. I realize that a shoelace is not exactly the same as your arteries, but still you will realize the potential for bad results.

For those with this as a FANTASY, there is a woman (unfortunately not particularly attractive) who blogs on her castration play with burdizzos and banders: http://www.leatherrealm.com/castrationblog.html

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:07 pm For those with this as a FANTASY, there is a woman (unfortunately not particularly attractive)

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She will probably cut your balls off for saying that.

Dana Lane (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:53 am I still have this vision that using hemostats to clamp off the cords would work and be less damaging to the parts you don't want to damage. Hemostats are used to clamp off things like this so shouldn't it work? I know they would need to remain clamped for a long time (not sure how long).

Took me a while but found an image showing blood supply to the testicles.

http://catalog.nucleusinc.com/enlargeex ... hp?ID=8913

I think the duration you need to clamp would be guided by info on testicular torsion. According to such information, the testicles are only certainly damaged after 24 hours. After 12 hours there is still about 40% chance they are still viable. And after only 3 hours there is little chance of permanent damage.

I think it is interesting actually that the testicles can withstand such durations. Other body parts like a finger would die or at least be damaged after just one hour. It seems to me that due to people damaging testicles they have evolved to be one of the hardier parts of the body (unfortunately).