A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:26 pm What happened when a Ford Pinto got rear-ended?

Go sell your f-n oil elsewhere. (I will stop short of telling you what I am really thinking about your family tree about now...)

I want my electric car.

Was that directed at me?

I personally have nothing against electric cars. I just wanted to point out that long range one wouldn't be exactly a good idea.

No need to get mad.

nullorchis (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:19 am Or, a car that runs on hydrogen, which is extracted from desalinated ocean water, via a mechanism in the car which divides water into hydrogen and oxygen, which then results in more oxygen going into the atmosphere and less CO2 going into the atmosphere.

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/hydrogen ... d-cars.htm

Try this -

The car has hydrogen, safely contained Chicken Littles,

The fuel cell combines it with oxygen from the atmosphere

and creates electricity and "harmless water vapor" -

oops, ain't that one of them green house gases.

I see those fuel cell cars so lableled and kid the driver when I can.

For that, we need hydrogen service stations.

"The Arnold's hydrogen highway was soundly defeated".

A-1 You get the I get it award on this one. Bravo. That is one for you.

Arab Nights (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:29 pm All of these are fair enough points, but I understand the original post to suggest something like the idea of the job of "gas" stations being to recharge batteries. You drive in, are given credit for the battery you are turning in, that battery is quickly disconnected, a fully charged one is connected, you are debited a value for that battery, you pay the difference between the credit and the debit and off you go.

The point was to "seed" some original thinking.

Hopefully some of these other comments might also spur thought.

A-1

Winner of the first,

I Get It Award.

Congratulations.

Would you have an out of the box idea to share?

An improved widget or process?

Bravo again

Moi

You guys have me convinced. Really, I'm sold. Only two questions have I:

1. Which nice gentleman in here is going to buy me a Mercedes F600 Hygenius?

2. May I name it "Der Hindenburg" ?

Remember we need two, one for the OLD MAN and one for me, River the younger.

River

Check out the Honda FCX Clarity. It is on the road in So Cal, Orange County way. The guys from Top Gear test drove it and it was good. I want one.

Just add Hydrogen capabilities to existing stations, make more of this type of vehicle and away we go. You can even have a converter in your own garage to fill up when you want or over night. Fill up time is about the same amount of time as with gasoline and hydrogen is less expensive.

The Hindenburg was covered in a cloth material that was soaked in the equivalent of gasoline to make it waterproof and gas tight. No wonder it went up in flames, crashed and burned. Even if they used Helium, which is non-combustible, the same thing would have happened.

Filling the gas tank on your/my car is much more dangerous than a tank of hydrogen and we live with the gasoline everyday. Some of the vapor escapes and many security video cameras have captured what happens to the unfortunate people that are in the right place at the correct time and they go up in flames. The hydrogen connection is tight and does not allow vapor to escape then catch you on fire like gasoline.

Two things,

1) An electric car would be fine if it could re-charge itself from the solar cells that are on its roof, or if all the electricity was obtained from renewable resources (not oil, coal, etc), and many apartment and condo buildings are not outfitted with plugs....a new system of billable electric plugs would be needed (which could be done)

2) Computers are kind of going "modular", except for something like the iMac and in a way laptops. Being able to connect external everything to a small processor module is a much more open system. Who would want a car if you had to buy oil, battery, tires, windshield wipers only from the car manufacturer. Being able to snap in and add on external memory, external storage, external DVD, CD, monitor, printer, internet access makes computers much more adaptable, flexible, and competitive. Once someone invents an adaptable operating system then we will be moving forward. Windows is about as clunky as you can get and is holding back the advancement of computerization.

The batteries should be cylindrical like normal toy batteries. they should be 0.1m in diameter and 0.5m in lenth and stacked along the floor frame. The motor-axles should be 0.1m in diameter and 1 meter in lenth along with a few other inertia breaking motors of the same size. The bumpers should also be 0.1m diameter but 1.5m in length. In the mid-section of the frame the batteries should be arranged to be 1.5m in length (3 per row). In the tail section they should be 1m in length (2 per row). And in the front (steering) section they should be left at 0.5m (1 per row) but the motor-axle should still be one meter in length with two inertia breaking motors directly above it along with two other extra layers of batteries directly over this front section.

Now that we understand the need for standardization of

automobile battery units -

Another Out of the Box, Idea

Mid ocean surface water lacks nutrients.

Therefore plankton have a hard time thriving.

The natural means to bring nutrients to the surface water

is via, upwelling along continental shelves, as brings

nutrients to the surface and being closer to the sun light,

plankton thrive.

As these areas are pretty well poisoned along with estuary type

ecosystems, why not bring it to mid ocean.

Float some floats for intertidal life zone recreation.

Disperse some floating "Miracle Grow" or create an upwelling from

the ocean floor below -

Soon will be plankton, small fish, larger fish, birds, a fishery.

And the plankton trap CO2, a green house gas.

Moi

PS Navigation charts and markers should steer ships away from my

eco-fish farms.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:01 pm Now that we understand the need for standardization of

automobile battery units -

Another Out of the Box, Idea

Mid ocean surface water lacks nutrients.

Therefore plankton have a hard time thriving.

The natural means to bring nutrients to the surface water

is via, upwelling along continental shelves, as brings

nutrients to the surface and being closer to the sun light,

plankton thrive.

As these areas are pretty well poisoned along with estuary type

ecosystems, why not bring it to mid ocean.

Float some floats for intertidal life zone recreation.

Disperse some floating "Miracle Grow" or create an upwelling from

the ocean floor below -

Soon will be plankton, small fish, larger fish, birds, a fishery.

And the plankton trap CO2, a green house gas.

Moi

PS Navigation charts and markers should steer ships away from my

eco-fish farms.

Sounds good on paper, but what about life forms the exist in the mid-ocean areas already?