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Re: Testing for “real” sex

Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:33 pm
by EunuchAusTX (imported)
Perhaps sports should be divided by size/build/weight instead of sex/gender. That way athletes like Semenya could compete fairly with others who are physically similar to them rather than simply being eliminated for having the wrong hormones. Plus it would give us short guys a way to compete!

Re: Testing for “real” sex

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:17 pm
by JesusA (imported)
Intersex conditions similar to that of Caster Semanya can occur in species other than humans. I have read reports of its occurrence in domestic cats. Today’s issue of the New York Times indicates that it occurs in horses as well. I would expect that it should occur elsewhere, just that no one’s specifically looking for it (or I haven’t read the reports).

Another Sex Dispute,

but This Athlete Has Four Legs

By BILL FINLEY

The New York Times

September 18, 2009

Martha Maxine might seem like an ill-fitting name for a 5-year-old male horse, but there is an explanation. He used to be a she.

Martha Maxine will be among the favorites Saturday in the $125,000 Tony Maurello Stakes at Balmoral Park outside Chicago, the same harness racing track where he won the filly division of the same race a year ago. He will make his fourth start since tests determined the horse was intersex, with male sex chromosomes.

Complicated questions about possible intersex athletes have come up in human sports, including one recently in track and field, but those athletes typically have an opportunity to challenge any findings. In the case of Martha Maxine, the harness racing authorities took conclusive action. In June, the horse was reclassified as a male by the United States Trotting Association and barred from female-only races.

The trainer and co-owner Erv Miller never suspected there was anything different about Martha Maxine; the horse had an uneventful but productive 2008 campaign. Still officially a female, Martha Maxine won 13 races last year, earning $193,891.

“The only thing I ever noticed was that she was a very muscular mare,” Miller said. “She carried a lot of muscle tone, like a male does. Other than that, there was nothing different about her. When you think you’ve seen everything in this business, something else comes along. That’s what happened here.”

The problems began when Martha Maxine finished second in the Betsy Ross final April 26 at Harrah’s Chester in Pennsylvania. In a mandatory postrace test for steroids, the horse showed an elevated level of testosterone. With Miller adamant that Martha Maxine had not been treated with steroids, further tests revealed the unusual situation. According to Miller, the horse has normal female genitalia, but also has testicles inside his abdomen.

A comparable situation arose late last year when a horse named Arizona Helen — also racing at Chester, also registered as a filly — showed an elevated testosterone level after a steroid test. Arizona Helen was subsequently reclassified as a male.

“I’m certain that this sort of thing would give a horse an advantage over other females,” said Dr. Sue McDonnell, a veterinarian at the University of Pennsylvania’s New Bolton Center, where Martha Maxine was evaluated after the steroid test. “That’s why people were giving steroids to mares in the first place. Steroids build muscle mass. In cases like this one, an animal that had this since birth and went through puberty as a male would be a larger horse with male characteristics, including the male drive to run.”

Had it not been for steroid tests, it is unlikely that the unique condition of either horse ever would have been revealed. Steroids were banned only recently in North American racing.

“If not for those tests, you never would have known this with this mare,” Miller said. “We paid a lot of attention to her because she’s a good horse and we didn’t have a clue.”

Miller still refers to Martha Maxine as “she” or “her.” He says it’s a habit he can’t break.

“I tried it the other way for a bit, calling her ‘he,’ ” Miller said. “It just got me mixed up.”

McDonnell said little research had been done in the area of intersex equines, but she said that somewhere between 1 in 1,000 and 1 in 10,000 horses have some versions of the condition.

After the Betsy Ross, it took nearly two months for Martha Maxine’s situation to be resolved. Still officially a she, the 5-year-old continued to race against females. In June, Martha Maxine was declared a male, which Miller worried might derail what had become a lucrative year. As a female, she had won five times in 2009, earning more than $200,000.

“I didn’t know how she’d do against males,” Miller said. “The males are stronger, and they’re faster.”

Martha Maxine lost his first three starts against males but rebounded to win a prep race for the Tony Maurello Stakes last week at Balmoral, covering the mile in a career-best 1:49 2/5. Miller was encouraged by the effort and is hopeful that Martha Maxine can continue to have a successful season. He sees Saturday’s race as an important test.

“That’s what we’re about to find out, whether she can compete at a top level against males,” he said, adding that she was eligible to run an open race in Lexington, Ky., against some top males. “A lot will depend on how it goes Saturday night. She won the filly division last year. Now, she’s in the colt division. We’ll have to see what she can do. It’s a strange situation.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/19/sport ... ale&st=cse

Re: Testing for “real” sex

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:14 pm
by Francis (imported)
Isn't the real issue here that there are people born with mixed sexual characteristics essentially birth defects of various kinds? If a person is born with a vagina or semblance thereof but internally has testosterone producing testicles, that makes such person neither male nor female. Logic suggests if it is the case then neither male nor female clasification applies and they should not be allowed to compete in either category. True it is going to exclude some possibly quite deserving people from alll competition but it seems to me the only fair way to sort this all out.

Re: Testing for “real” sex

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:23 am
by YourPhriendlyAuthor (imported)
JesusA (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:17 pm Intersex conditions similar to that of Caster Semanya can occur in species other than humans. I have read reports of its occurrence in domestic cats. Today’s issue of the New York Times indicates that it occurs in horses as well.

Jesus,

Two words: "Mrs. Ed". 😄

"Gawrsh, Wilbur, didn't you ever want to be a filly?"

-YPA

Re: Testing for “real” sex

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:39 am
by YourPhriendlyAuthor (imported)
Francis (imported) wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:14 pm Isn't the real issue here that there are people born with mixed sexual characteristics essentially birth defects of various kinds? If a person is born with a vagina or semblance thereof but internally has testosterone producing testicles, that makes such person neither male nor female. Logic suggests if it is the case then neither male nor female clasification applies and they should not be allowed to compete in either category. True it is going to exclude some possibly quite deserving people from alll competition but it seems to me the only fair way to sort this all out.

Francis,

The problem there is that you'd start getting into charges of sexual discrimination *very* quickly! :(

Hermaphroditism isn't something that a person *chooses*; it's the way they're *born*. There are also different *types* of hermaphrodites, as well; true hermaphrodites, pseudo-hermaphrodites that fall into several different categories, depending on genetics, etc.

They don't fit into the neatly defined categories of 'male' and 'female', true, but is it fair to exclude them for something that they have no control over?

-YPA