A lot of what you are experiencing is anxiety. You are worrying about the effects. You are looking for changes and getting excited over any possible change. This is very common. Keep a log book of your changes. Just remember that everyone is different in what happens and when it happens.

hi i am new here just want to share my experiences with androcur

i started androcur about 2 months ago but in a small dose of 10 mg/day (cause my endocrinologist wants to go slow but i think i should go on a 50mg/day)

-my sex drive has been minimized, its need a lot concetration to get on full climax

-i have depressing moods very often but i dont feel very tired as other people mentioned

-as for the memory, its not good as before, i forget things very easily

- my hair growth has been reduced but not as much as i expected also the baldness that i want to stop(it started been noticable) hasn't changeso i keep loosing a lot of hair (probably genes are always stronger than any drugs or i must change the dose)

- here are blood tests before/after one month using androcur :

γ-Gt: 57 u/l / 55 u/l must be <48 u/l

transaminase SGOT 31u/l / 30 u/l <32 u/l

SGPT 44u/l / 54 u/l <40 u/l

the doctor said that if the values reach level 100 u/l(very high dose) then i should stop

does anyone know antithrypsine A1? my value is quite low about 1258 g/l (it should be between 1600-3800)

forgive me about the values that are in european measures

To lower your T level to castrate level you will have to take over 100mg a day. If you do so, the side effects will increase and your hair will stop falling.

At 10mg a day you should see NO change in your testosterone levels. 50mg is about the lowest levels that anyone that I know of that have any effect. Those were people already had very low levels to start with.

The measurements you have are not the normal ones I know of. The Europe and American are similar or can be converted numbers. The scale is just different.

melenios (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:21 am 1258 g/l (it should be between 1600-3800)

may seem a little low. It may be normal for your age to be at that level. Many hormone test have the range for a person between an age group. A different number for people that are older. You are far from the eunuch range.

bobbie (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:40 am At 10mg a day you should see NO change in your testosterone levels. 50mg is about the lowest levels that anyone that I know of that have any effect. Those were people already had very low levels to start with.

The measurements you have are not the normal ones I know of. The Europe and American are similar or can be converted numbers. The scale is just different.

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1258 g/l (it should be between 1600-3800)

may seem a little low. It may be normal for your age to be at that level. Many hormone test have the range for a person between an age group. A different number for p
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eople that are older. You are far from the eunuch range.

I will second what Bobbie says. The numbers do not line up. Try again.

Hi all Its been 20 days now on androcur at 200 mg. a day, so far im very happy this time the way things are working out for me this time. I have noticed that my sex drive has gone down allot when I say allot from 1-10 I rate it at a 8 right now. I have had about 8 hot flashes so far the last 3 or so havent been to bad. Takes some effort to get an erection but if i try I can maintain one for a while but it takes consentration. My ejaculate seems to be more watery now and not as much to speek of when I do orgasm. I seem to get tired much faster than normal and the only thing that seems to be allot different from the last time I have taken it is that it seemed to take effect much faster. Well so far Im very happy and cant wait for the full effects.

My starting T level was below normal so I have been able to reduce siterone from 200mg a day to 100mg a day over a 3 week period, with satisfactory results.

One suggestion: Just stop thinking about it. It's like watching the grass grow. The changes take time and you can over think it. Just go about your daily life, take the pills, and then in a few weeks do a progress evaluation. It kind of creeps up on you and you suddenly realize, hey, my libido is finally gone, or nearly gone.

The whole point is to live life without an unwanted, unnecessary sex drive running your body and thoughts. When you don't want or need sex, nature can be very fickle and complicate things. By diminishing the libido you have an opportunity at least to focus on living life without being overwhelmed and driven by interfering hormones. Good Luck.

paman1971 (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:50 am Hi all Its been 20 days now on androcur at 200 mg. a day, so far im very happy this time the way things are working out for me this time. I have noticed that my sex drive has gone down allot when I say allot from 1-10 I rate it at a 8 right now. I have had about 8 hot flashes so far the last 3 or so havent been to bad. Takes some effort to get an erection but if i try I can maintain one for a while but it takes consentration. My ejaculate seems to be more watery now and not as much to speek of when I do orgasm. I seem to get tired much faster than normal and the only thing that seems to be allot different from the last time I have taken it is that it seemed to take effect much faster. Well so far Im very happy and cant wait for the full effects.

Your effects seem to be in the normal range. When you say

paman1971 (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:50 am I seem to get tired much faster than normal.

Get use to it for it is your new normal. It in fact will increase the loss of energy and strength over time. You may want to consider on reducing your dose to 150mg or 100mg. You may find that the lower does can work just as well. Taking more then needed is not a good idea. You may find it interesting to keep a log of your changes. It is hard to look back to see just what happened and when a year later.

DavidB (imported) wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:26 am I would start at a slightly higher dose and stay on that dose for about 2 months and then lower it by a 1/3. I have been on siterone for almost 2 years, with a six month break in between do to another health issue. When I started and then re-started i used 150 for 2 months, it brought my T-level down to 40, which is castrate level, then i dropped down to 100 mg for 2 months and was able to achieve maintainace level @ 50mg, once I went to 50mg my T-level went back to around 60 and has fluxed between 45-60. which is still castrate level.

thats my 2cents.

and i must throw out some safety warrnings. keep an eye out for depression, it may be mild or it may be crazy, but there will be a little. I knew to look for it the second time, the first time it kind of hit me out of know where, it wasnt major for me, but it was there. once my level stabelized @ the bottom, the depression went away. dont think it does for everybody. if possible tell a friend to keep an eye out for you in the begining.

best of luck

Dave

Regarding dosage and depression.

Although I did not do this as I had a low T level when I started taking siterone, for someone who has about normal T level, how about starting androcur/siterone at a low level, say 50mg for a month, then increasing to 75mg for a month or so, then increasing to 100mg, then to 150, then to 200 if needed, and then slowly decreasing the dose.

When my T level suddenly dropped I experienced all the bad things; memory loss, weakness, blah lack of interest in anything; not quite depression but close to it.

My suggestion is that by slowly decreasing the T level, by slowly increasing the dose, one might be able to minimize the negative effects of a reduction of testosterone.

At the least , seems like it might be worth a try. It will take a little longer to get to the desired goal, but if going slow might reduce the testosterone withdrawal effects it might be worth doing, in my observation.

how long have you been taking androcur guys?

i talked with my doctor again & his is not willing to let me increase the dose at least at 50mg/day.he's also concerned that it will be dangerous if i keep taking androcur after six months, he told me about many problems

may appear in the future(even from the tests i presented to you he and 2 other doctors said there is not any problem with values like that) like cancer..

Is there a chance he's overeacting? (from the beggining he wasn't sure about all that)