erikboy (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:06 am I see, you are a real science man. while in panic and very difficult situation, you still manage to make notes and register scientifically valuable information.

You remind me great explorers who despite extremely bad situation continue to write logbook.

I hope everything settle down and wish you well!

fhunter wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:47 pm As I promised - I write more or less full update.

I spent last two days (and the morning of this) at some distance from civilization .

At least I had time to think over some things.

Some more changes that I noticed (some were there for some time, but I haven't thought of it/noticed):

my skin is drier, and hair stays clean longer,

may be I am careless and ignoring sunblock, but it was the first time in my life, when I got sunburn on my hands,

I am getting weaker. Not much and probably from the lack of excersise and physical work , but 10kg hammer felt heavy to me.

Other reasons that I think so - I went rollerskating few days ago (I try to keep being active, at least as the weather permits me). After ten minutes I was covered in sweat. 30 minutes - almost to the point of dripping. After an hour the only thought I had - was "I wouldn't make my return home". Finally returned after an hour and 20 minutes.

On map it was about 12km. Last time I felt that tired when I returned from the university rollerskating (it was on a bet, the distance was 18km, it took me almost 2.5 hours, 2/3 of it was against strong wind).

After thinking all over I decided to continue with androcur - I don't want my sex drive back at least for now and side effects are not that bad to stop. And I am still before the point of no return.

And now comes interesting thing - I returned home and dropped order at the pharmacy, where I bought androcur previously and got answer - "in stock, on prescription". Either I am doing something wrong or our goverment decided to "tighten the nuts" on this. I will try tomorrow to reorder, or I am stuck searching for another anti-androgen.

at some distance from civilization .,

Jean Op den Kamp (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:38 am I forgot to ask, did you really run in to your family doctor, show him the empty box and ask for help. Maybe you print this page and have him read it. I know very little about your undocumented possibilities, but at the Netherlands it worked for me...I got my prescription. If you can make decisions like that, then show that you still are a man and try. If you don't shoot, you always miss

fhunter wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:30 am Family doctor? What's that? Haven't heard of one.

Last time I've been to any doctor except for dentist was 3 (or 4?) years ago when I went "all macho" and tried to haul a 50kg bag of sand (uhu, with my own weight at some 66-68kg. Could I be any more stupid?)

I'll take this way as a last resort.

I still haven't tried all other ways.

fhunter wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:47 pm After thinking all over I decided to continue with androcur - I don't want my sex drive back at least for now and side effects are not that bad to stop. And I am still before the point of no return.

Graf v Eierdorf (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:17 am Ah, please excuse me, I'm not a good searcher ... now found some things. Appears to be no definite answer, although I conclude from what I've read that a couple of months should be fairly low-risk in terms of permanent effects... (is this the general opinion/experience among those who've tried it and upon whom it's had an effect?)

Thanks...

Graf v Eierdorf (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:17 am Ah, please excuse me, I'm not a good searcher ... now found some things. Appears to be no definite answer, although I conclude from what I've read that a couple of months should be fairly low-risk in terms of permanent effects... (is this the general opinion/experience among those who've tried it and upon whom it's had an effect?)

Thanks...

Jean Op den Kamp (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:54 am Hey my friend,

don't try to escape. This is something in your mind, and it is you who has to set up that mind.

If that pharmacy sold you androcur before, and now you need a prescription. Ask them for advice where you can find a doctor. If you don't shoot you always miss.

Jean Op den Kamp (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:54 am And please take good care about yourself, I for myself need to find the next one after that last resort, not funny

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