Australian women sentenced for threatening to cut off boy's penis

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

The boys motivation would certainly be an interesting study. He may have just thought it was funny. My mom told me that one time I asked her if "it had a bone in it. She said, "it wouldn't if you'd leave it alone!"

Sorry, I forgot to ask upto now...

Was your mothers advice very useful for you.....???

loveU

Jean

[moi621 (imported)]

Can one "spank" a child in OZ land ?

I mean in America, a parent is expected to

reason with a 2 year old. Spanking = Child Abuse.

[A-1 (imported)]

Having recently witnessed a youngster being told that his injured rt arm might have to be removed and the terror in his face right before he was told that she was just kidding and then the look of relief I can only wonder why in the HELL would you DO that to a kid? NOT funny... (Jesus, even if the kid WAS UGLY!)

I cannot see any jail time for the trick, but, it WAS pretty cruel.

However, I doubt if that child has sexual fantasies about his arm being removed...

...and children exposing themselves is usually indicitive of some sort of abuse, be it sexual or psychological. Unless, of course, the little bastard is just horney before his time...But, how abusive would it have been to just ignore him and let the behavior undergo extinction?

...sure takes all kinds, doesn't it?

There IS some sort of Freudian thing about body mutiliation that causes subconscious issues, but I don't remember exactly what it is...

[brisvegas (imported)]

Can one "spank" a child in OZ land ?

I mean in America, a parent is expected to

reason with a 2 year old. Spanking = Child Abuse.

Some form of physical punishment is allowed in Australia as long as it is reasonable.

I should add that the Kindy episode was only my first encounter with someone threatening to cut my dick off.

My second was when I was 7 or 8 when I went to see the doctor. My mum had concern with my foreskin. My foreskin couldn't be pulled back completely and smegma was building up inside. So she had the doctor to check it out.

During the visit, the doctor raised the issue that I should have some vaccination (not foreskin related but of something else). When I refused, he calmly threatened to cut my dick off. I compiled of course straight away.

This is definitely something that one should never threaten a child with.

[nullorchis (imported)]

Clearly, threating to cut anything off (a finger, an ear, a willy) is an illegal act, especially if you are holding a tool in your hand that could be used to perform such an act, and you have physical control/domination over the other person. Hopefully the people who were convicted of this crime are barred from coming into contact with other people's children in the future.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the women who threatened the kid with a penectomy have some deep seated fear/hate or hate/fear of men. What were THEIR childhood experiences that led them to do such a thing.

Maybe they are regular visitors to web sites that are "into" such things.

Everything that happens to us as we grow up might have a positive or negative impact. I leave those influences to the child's parent, and to those people who the parent have entrusted their child to. It would be nice to have some positive influence on a child's development, but the risks are too great to get involved.

Due to laws and paranoia and false accusations I make sure I avoid kids to the greatest extent possible. Even when in a situation where I can't avoid kids I make sure they are not within 10 feet of me and I don't talk to/with them. Anything you do, or don't do, anything you say, or don't say, can and will be interpreted by a child and/or parent and at some point might be used against you.

Thankfully I have no feelings of attraction to children; quite the opposite. Kids to me are like the negative polarity of a magnet and I respond like the positive polarity of a magnet; should they get close to me, I repel away from them.

My avoidance of them is not because of any attraction to them; it is due entirely to an irrational fear of consequences from accusations or suspicions, especially since I am gay. Uneducated and stupid people sometimes think that all gay people are pedophiles so one must stay on guard. Educated people know that pedophilia has nothing to do with being gay; it is a completely separate issue from homo or hetro sexuality.

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

Can one "spank" a child in OZ land ?

I mean in America, a parent is expected to

reason with a 2 year old. Spanking = Child Abuse.

I know that they call it child abuse and I can see all over the world the problems as they don't know anymore how to raise their children.

A spank can be anything from a fun to a torture, and a loving adult should understand this very wel.

Since about 1980, I am telling children very clearly, that if I feel the need, I am going to spank them. I could always solve the problems in another way, proberly because they understand that my words are true. If I need, I will

So it may be very clearly that I disagree with this law. That is why I wrote:

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I don't know for sure, it would be my first reaction to ask him if he would like that. Less threatening, and maybe more effective... but probably it would have brought me to the same court....

Only with one difference, next time I would do the same!!!

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As I said all over the world I have to offer my excuses to VIetnam. Most of the time under 3 year they are walking around bare bottomed, and if they don't want to understand, they get a smack on that bottom. Ofcourse their is abuse, torture, the use of a stick (sick people you find everywhere). But normaly the little devils don't even cry, but they do understand that they have to listen

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ould agry to change your words into:

I mean in America, an adult i

s expected to

reason with a 2 year old. Spanking = Child Abuse

I could ask you: " And where does your country hide those adults?" as I can see the problems, and no-one with time and feeling to reason with the children of 2 years old

[Prudence (imported)]

I agree with the prison sentance. These women need to be publically punished. Especially to counter-act the "its OK to harm and/or belittle men and boys, but not girls" attitude that the Feminist movement has forced into the media and popular culture... It is NOT OK to harm anyone, regardless of thier gender. And threatening a child like that was, unquestionably, harm. The memory is going to stay with him for the rest of his life, and probably will have an effect on his sexuality. The two caretakers should have known better -- they got what they deserved.

I think 9 months is a bit much though. Even a 1 month prison sentance should be enough to "put the fear of God" into someone and be a significant deterrent to ensure they never do the crime again. Especially if there is a threat for a much longer prison sentance should they ever do the crime again.

Of those eunuchs who have had their testicles removed, 15% report having been threatened with castration while they were children. Of those who have been penectomized, 23% report threats. Of those who have been nullified, 28% reported such threats.

I can vouch for that!

I'm not Pentectomized or Castrated (and have no intention to be)... But, this type of threat during childhood is definitely one of the main sources of my Penectomy fantasies.

In my Kindergarten class there was this girl who, when a boy made her mad, would always threaten to "cut off your weenie and turn you into a girl". Then one time her and a couple friends (two of which were older kids) held me down, got my pants off, and actually tried to do it. But were stopped by supervision before they got too far... It left an indelible impression on my mind, and once I hit pube

rty, my fantansies often went towards Penectomy and TG.

My avoidance of them is not because of any attraction to them; it is due entirely to an irrational fear of consequences from accusations or suspicions, especially since I am gay. Uneducated and stupid people sometimes think that all gay people are pedophiles so one must stay on guard. Educated people know that pedophilia has nothing to do with being gay; it is a c

ompletely separate issue from homo or hetro sexuality.

I'm not Gay or Pedo, and I actually like Kids (well to a point -- after a while I have to get away from them). But, I am definitely "in the same boat" with you on this one. I am extremely careful around kids I do know (ie: family and friends), and avoid kids I don't know, for that same reason...

I've read and/or heard stories of people these days, who are so paranoid and/or so over-protective that it seems they spend every waking hour just looking for even the slightest little thing that could possibly be a threat, or percieved threat, against thier kids... Then proceed to rake someone over the coals about it. I wouldn't want to be the target of that. Hell, even the mere accusation can be enough to ruin one's life!!

Some people are so obsessed with thier "Witch Hunts" that they find a "Witch" under every stone...

[_g (imported)]

Can one "spank" a child

in OZ land ?

I mean in America, a parent is expected to

reason with a 2 year old. Spanking = Child Abuse.

I have spanked my children but each child is different one it only took a mean look, another just raising your voice, another you had to scream and grab, and my middle daughter a full spanking was needed before she would stop doing what ever. And she was the one which would hold her breath and pass out!

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

I have spanked my children but each child is different one it only took a mean look, another just raising your voice, another you had to scream and grab, and my middle daughter a full spanking was needed before she would stop doing what ever. And she was the one which would hold her breath and pass out!

I feel sorry for you that she needed it. As I wrote, in all those years, I never needed it (yeah, I need it many times but that's a different story). Maybe sometimes for the fun of it, as it can be a nice play.

But I guess I was the lucky one, if you really need to, as a parent, I am sure, there was no fun. As they say, it hurts you more then it hurts them.

LoveU

Jean

[Jean Op den Kamp (imported)]

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I'm not Gay or Pedo, and I actually like Kids (well to a point -- after a while I have to get away from them). But, I am definitely "in the same boat" with you on this one. I am extremely careful around kids I do know (ie: family and friends), and avoid kids I don't know, for that same reason...

I've read and/or heard stories of people these days, who are so paranoid and/or so over-protective that it seems they spend every waking hour just looking for even the slightest little thing that could possibly be a threat, or percieved threat, against thier kids... Then proceed to rake someone over the coals about it. I wouldn't want to be the target of that. Hell, even the mere accusation can be enough to ruin one's life!!

Some people are so obsessed with thier "Witch Hunts" that they find a "Witch" under every stone...

Maybe the system is just perfect. In every child there is a little telepathist, some are even more powerful. But yes, you can tell a child in a distance of twenty meters that you approve or disapprove his/her behaviour, only by the way you look at them. And what is the world doing, we don't show them our affection any more. We are scared. We are scared by the JUDGING of other people. That is the message we are sending to the children We tell them that they are something fearsome, something that we are scared of.

In the Netherlands this started around 1986 and it is growing. Even grandparents are afraid to hug their grandchildren in public because people are JUDGING

We have our new generation now, we can see the results. Police and fire brigade, even the ambulance cannot do their work anymore. Young people now are starting to pay back that disrespect that they had to take all their childhood. And this is not going to stop just like that. It is just starting.

Yeah, the system is perfect, once people take judging out of HIS hands, they are going to pay the price. They get what they are asking for, hell on earth

It is only so unfair for the children, maybe it should stop, maybe they deserve a chance to be happy again. But as long as we allow those socalled childprotectors to do the JUDGING, it will not stop. Only if we start to UNDERSTAND what we are doing to them, we can stop this.

I love U all (and especially I do love children)

Jean