I went outside and beat a rug after I wrote the previous post. I should learn to vent on inanimate objects other than keyboards.

"Newsweek" picked this up and ran with it as well.

The feature story was about a man with ?identical? twin boys, who were fine up until the MMR shots. Within a week, they had stopped talking, etc., and had regressed to almost infancy. They were 8 then (2 years ago?) and still totally uncontrollable. I believe it cited the odds of this as something like "astronomically high against".

Coincidence?

Doubtful.

However, one must not overlook the fact that some ingredient in the vaccine could have...might have...possibly be related to...the onset of their autism. IF what happened to them was "autism", if not just pure brain damage from a reaction much like a common allergic reaction.

But you have to admit, this report was very well put together to get so many people to swallow it. The more I read about it, the more I getting greatly concerned about it as well. Then again, I am not a specialist or researcher. I only know what the media tells me. And what was it telling me?

It was saying there was proof that the mercury laden vaccines caused autism in some children.

I don't have the source, but I did read some time ago that the aforementioned Jenny McCarthy was treating her son as best she could, and not for "autism" per say, but for something like "a vaccination ingredient reaction" or some other wording. Fortunately (and I have yet to see an update) her course of treatment had been wonderful for her son and the family and he was doing "so much better".

Paolo wrote: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:17 pm "Newsweek" picked this up and ran with it as well.

The feature story was about a man with ?identical? twin boys, who were fine up until the MMR shots. Within a week, they had stopped talking, etc., and had regressed to almost infancy. They were 8 then (2 years ago?) and still totally uncontrollable. I believe it cited the odds of this as something like "astronomically high against".

Coincidence? Doubtful.

However, one must not overlook the fact that some ingredient in the vaccine could have...might have...possibly be related to...the onset of their autism. IF what happened to them was "autism", if not just pure brain damage from a reaction much like a common allergic reaction.

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Paolo,

I don't know about the ingredients (like the mercury in thimerisol (spelling?)) which was a preservative in the vaccines for a long time. Or if some stabilizing agent or carrier or other component could affect kids. I heard all those stories and it's possible. It should be investigated.

As for your first point...

When you study statistical analysis, there is a teaching point called "The Drunken Marksman."

It goes like this: Suppose one fine Saturday night, our drunken marksman gets a rifle and shoots 100 bullets into the side of a barn. Then in his sober but hung over Sunday morning gets a piece of chalk and draws circular patterns around the clusters of holes from his previous nights efforts. He drew the bull's eyes after he shot the holes and claimed he was a great marksman. Unfortunately, there is a lesson here:

Some of those clusters actually look significant, but as we know from the story, they aren't. The marksman is fooling us. And if we didn't have the marksman doing it and we just had the holes, then we might cluter them and attribute better marksmanship to the shooter than his drunken state would permit.

In the analysis of data of occurrences -- like your story about the two boys -- like the stories about cancer clusters due to factories or power lines -- the clusters might not be significant even though they are present. The clusters might be artificial. The clusters might not be the effect, nor the marksman their cause.

Now I do not doubt the efficacy of your story. I caution against the implied cause and effect. I didn't say it isn't cause and effect, I said it may not be cause and effect. It most likely isn't cause and effect. We do not know from the evidence presented. That's what makes this so hard for parents and friends and people like you and me who believe children deserve happy childhoods.

I was only citing this article in showing how widespread and convincing this study was.

I don't know what happened to the twins, but it is highly suspect and you say, does deserve more investigation to prevent further instances.

I personally do find it odd, though, that a set of twins could suffer such at the same time after the same shot, from the same batch of vaccine. Having studied math, I do have to agree with the odds being, in layman's terms, "damn near impossible."

And yes, you're right about the drunken marksman. Statistics can be manipulated - a lot. The only reason I passed my Stats class in college was the correlation I made with girls with large breasts, alcohol consumption, and math grades...took me a while, but I eventually decided that girls in college in Indiana with "big boobs", who liked beer, didn't do well in Calculus! I got points for original thinking.

What are the ODDS that two genetically idntical people would fall ill at the same time if the defect were carried in their genetics? I'd GUESS that the odds are very high but I'm not a statistician or geneticist. You can not always use correlation to find causation because very often two correlated events are caused by a third independent cause.

Statistics do not lie but many liars use the hell out of statistics. Statistics are a valuable tool in finding truths but as with any tool it can be used to further one's own agenda, usually by leaving out other pertinent data.

What makes this interesting, to me, is the scientist who lies. Bankers, lawyers, doctors, policemen etc. lie all the time. Reading the paper about sports figures who lie, or politians who lie is redundent. But individuals who's knowledge and research is reproduceable, people who are supposed to be working for the advancement of society, lie for different reasons. Not to save their ass, perhaps not to make millions. A scientist who lies is most surely caught up in ego.

I have read where the individuals responsible are being censured or sanctioned, but am waiting for more info. I read the paper...passively.

Now...if they could just get a handle on turrets. EVER HEARD OF THE MAD SCIENTIST?

chilli-

...I have heard of the NAD scientist...

First off I want to say that I am sorry I didn't reply earlier a power surge fried something in my computer so now it won't even turn on and all my passwords etc. were stored in a data file on the hard drive.

Well YourPhriendlyAuthor the CDC now estimates that 1/150 people are autistic compared to the old estimate which was 1/1000. What this means is indeed 60% of all

Castroboi (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:01 am autistic people have asperger's syndrome

which is in contrast to what Autism Speaks spews out daily. They want people to believe that autism= suffering because by doing that they can get money which helps them gain power to obtain more money and power and so on. I believe if given the authority and means they would kill every autistic person in the world then use some sorry excuse like we did it to put them out of their suffering.

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:37 pm ...I have heard of the NAD scientist...

A-1 Me too! He stayed nutted up in his lab for years! You know this guy?

SHE"S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................HOLY SHIT IT'S FRANKENBUSH!!!!!!!!!Oh dear god, who god, what have they done!!!!!!!!!!

chilli-